Obesity

Roar87 said:
It takes some time to get used to, will power is required, I'd typically also give myself a "refeed" every 2 weeks where I'd allow myself carbs, I'd have a pizza or something like that which was more of a mental thing. Diets require structure and willpower, and also just an acceptance that if you want to lose weight you're probably going to feel hungry at times and you just have to deal with it.
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Personally when I'm feeling good but otherwise want to lose weight my preference is just calorie controlled normal meals/snacks with a bias towards extra protein. Nobody's getting fat off of reasonable portions of plain boiled rice with a bit of seasoning, and it can be delicious and filling without having to slam your body into an extreme state. It's just business as usual plus some self control.

The problem for me is when I need a corticosteroid then it's just 24/7 chocolate cravings lmao.
 
Pawnless Endgame said:
I see on menus "adults should have around 2000 calories per day". Didn't it used to be 2500 for the male of the species because they're bigger/taller on average?
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Yeah but I think there was also some assumption about men tending to be in more active jobs which has become less true over time.
 
A know a postie who walks 20k+ steps a day and he's still fat. He snacks all the time and drinks beer though. I'd guess he weighs 18 stone or so. Who knows what he would be if he suddenly stopped walking.
 
Ayahuasca said:
According to another user on here, fibre isn't necessary and you just need huge amounts of fat in a no-carb or low-carb diet to solve all your problems.

That's why these discussions about calories tend to devolve into conversations about diets like keto, despite numerous reports from people where this diet doesn't work for them and causes other problems. It always seems to go to extremes.
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People who don't think fibre is important haven't done any research on nutrition.
 
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Zatoichi.uK said:
A know a postie who walks 20k+ steps a day and he's still fat. He snacks all the time and drinks beer though. I'd guess he weighs 18 stone or so. Who knows what he would be if he suddenly stopped walking.
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As I said earlier you can't out-train a bad diet/lifestyle.

At least he's doing something... I guess
 
Nutty667 said:
Yup. James Cracknell ran 100 miles in 5 days while consuming no food or carbs.
www.dietdoctor.com

UK Team Completes a 100-mile, five-day Run with no Food - Diet Doctor

Eight runners ran 100 miles in five days without food. They aimed to dispel myths surrounding daily carbs and energy needs.
www.dietdoctor.com www.dietdoctor.com

I personally don't think most people need to shun all carbs, unless you're trying to reverse diabetes/pre-diabetes, but no doubt people eat far too much of them.
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Agreed carbs are fantastic (to me at least). Need them for energy. My diet though has a tonne of fats and protein in it as well, but importantly, fibre. But my BMI is 30.1 so I'm obese technically! :D
 
Freefaller said:
People who don't think fibre is important haven't done any research on nutrition.
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Since I've been diagnosed with IBD fibre has gone from "that's a thing you should eat!" to "here be dragons". It's not good enough to avoid it, and you certainly can't eat a lot of insoluble fibre specifically, in my case at least there seems to be some Goldilocks amount of insoluble to soluble fibre ratio and then amount overall which I try to just kinda fudge.

Edit: but obviously this is a fairly specific scenario. Carnivore people, please eat a celery.
 
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Freefaller said:
People who don't think fibre is important haven't done any research on nutrition.
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Dr Paul Mason's research on fibre showed the best amount was zero. You only need fat to have soft poo, not fibre.
The other benefit of fibre is butyrate, but ketones also provide butyrate from the blood side and your gut cells don't actually care where it comes from.
 
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All the comments akin to its more expensive to be healthy are generally moot points as well. People just again, pay for convenience because it's easy.

My working day I'll take:

1 pint of milk with a scoop of whey, probably about £1.50 total cost.

Breakfast is about half a pot of genuine Greek yoghurt, mixed with oats, flaxseed and chia seeds, topped with blueberries or other fruit, probably around £2.50 for the portion size I make.

Lunch is Tuna in olive oil, with rice and siracha, about £1.50 total cost.

Nets me about 115g of protein, healthy fats, probiotics etc, £5.50 for the day.

Then have colleagues moaning it's just so expensive to eat healthy food, whilst they go and purchase a £4 meal deal and spend £4 on a coffee from Starbucks... Eh
 
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Lightnix said:
If you're deciding between the Atkins diet or obesity, please just pick obesity. Being carb deficient just makes people the worst.
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Your body produces exactly how much "carbs" (glucose) it needs via gluconeogenesis. You don't need to eat any carbs in order to have glucose in your body. As soon as you eat anything that your body converts in to glucose your body produces insulin and tries to turn the vast majority of it in to fat.
 
BowdonUK said:
BMI is a flawed measurement. We've seen real world examples of it's flaws, yet the government/NHS carry on like they didn't see it.

I know you guys will challenge me, so here is some links;

The unethical use of BMI in contemporary general practice - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

www.hsph.harvard.edu

BMI a poor metric for measuring people’s health, say experts | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

Clinicians should pull back on the widespread use of body mass index (BMI) as a metric for assessing people’s health because it can lead to patient distrust and delayed care, say some health experts.
www.hsph.harvard.edu www.hsph.harvard.edu

www.medscape.com

BMI Is a Flawed Measure of Obesity. What Are Alternatives?

BMI is the go-to obesity metric, but there is increasing acknowledgment that it's an imperfect measure and can differ with ethnicity, sex, and body frame; hence, the growing chorus for alternatives.
www.medscape.com www.medscape.com

Real world examples;

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

Shiremoor mum slams council after daughter, five, classed as 'overweight'

The fit and active five-year-old spends hours swimming, dancing and cycling to school each week but council health bosses have told her parents she is overweight
www.chroniclelive.co.uk www.chroniclelive.co.uk

www.thesun.co.uk

My slim lad, 5, was fat-shamed as obese by NHS in ‘cold letter’ - I'm fuming

A FUMING mum told how her son, five, was fat-shamed by the NHS after receiving a letter telling her he was OBESE. Horrified Cheryl Beattie, from Glasgow, received the letter about young son Blair, …
www.thesun.co.uk www.thesun.co.uk

Those kids aren't fat/overweight.
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When you're a government looking after a large population ~70 million, then you need metrics that are simple and easy for people to understand and are reasonably accurate in most cases. BMI achieves that, of course there will be outliers but there will be for any system you use. It's not credible for every GP to do body fat measurements, fitness tests etc etc. hop on a scale, let me measure your height, stick it in a table, bosh. Here is a reasonable estimate of whether you are over/underweight, or just fine. Of course it's not perfect, but for the majority, it'll do and it's a reasonable indicator.
 
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Lightnix said:
Since I've been diagnosed with IBD fibre has gone from "that's a thing you should eat!" to "here be dragons". It's not good enough to avoid it, and you certainly can't eat a lot of insoluble fibre specifically, in my case at least there seems to be some Goldilocks amount of insoluble to soluble fibre ratio and then amount overall which I try to just kinda fudge.

Edit: but obviously this is a fairly specific scenario. Carnivore people, please eat a celery.
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Medical conditions are clearly an exception! Hope you're not doing too badly with yours.

andybird123 said:
Dr Paul Mason's research on fibre showed the best amount was zero. You only need fat to have soft poo, not fibre.
The other benefit of fibre is butyrate, but ketones also provide butyrate from the blood side and your gut cells don't actually care where it comes from.
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Fibre isn't about soft poo. It's about regulation and helping your body absorb nutrients in the most efficient and effective way. Ketosis is not a long term strategy. It's been researched significantly that a blend of diets with fats, proteins, carbs and fibre offer the best all round benefits for the general population. Exceptions of course need to be considered for autoimmune issues and other dietary issues.
 
I don't necessarily agree with BMI as it doesn't work for everyone, people of colour as an example, but it is more or less a decent ball park to aim for.

Mind you, I get so angry when I see fat kids. There's a holiday company doing adverts at the moment and they have a tubby son and dad jumping into the pool and it blows my mind that it's an OK thing to have on tv.
 
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