Obesity

Freefaller said:
Medical conditions are clearly an exception! Hope you're not doing too badly with yours.
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Oh yeah, and to be clear I'm not trying to frame that as a contradiction or anything. But yeah when it comes to fibre I have *thoughts* which are mostly specific to me. Thanks for the well wishing.
 
Lightnix said:
Hey I've not heard of him, where was his research published?
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I think this is the study he references;

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC

AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Junglist said:
I don't necessarily agree with BMI as it doesn't work for everyone, people of colour as an example, but it is more or less a decent ball park to aim for.
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I agree, whilst BMI is not be all and end all, but if someone has a BMI of 40+...that is obese, morbidly so. No other way to put it, can't use "BMI not the accurate" as a defence. BMI of 40+ you are looking at like around 300lbs ! You got to be 7 and a half foot tall to not be obese with that kind of weight.

So as a ball park, for people of average height, BMI is a good target to aim for. (in before someone uses an extreme example as a rebuttal when I just used someone with 7.5ft tall already)

andybird123 said:
I've been on a low carb/"keto" diet for 2 years, carnivore (about 90%) for 8 months.

My blood test, pressure, weight, muscle tone all strongly contradict this statement.
I've also cured arthritis and a laundry list of "age related" problems sticking to this diet.
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You also said you fast 24-48hrs to lose weight. It begs the question.....Why do you need to fast if you can maintain your weight with your diet?
 
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Raymond Lin said:
I agree, whilst BMI is not be all and end all, but if someone has a BMI of 40+...that is obese, morbidly so. No other way to put it, can't use "BMI not the accurate" as a defence. BMI of 40+ you are looking at like around 300lbs ! You got to be 7 and a half foot tall to not be obese with that kind of weight.

So as a ball park, for people of average height, BMI is a good target to aim for. (in before someone uses an extreme example as a rebuttal when I just used someone with 7.5ft tall already)
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Oh yeah for sure. Fat is fat. When I say I don't pay attention to it I mean within a degree of 1-2. I don't mean I think we should be aiming for the high scores :D
 
andybird123 said:
I think this is the study he references;

Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms - PMC

AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation. METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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It seems like this preliminary study is talking about a possibility that in some patients with constipation caused by bulky stools, stool bulking (presumably) insoluble fibre may actually exacerbate their issue. I think this is an interesting finding but the way you presented it originally seems to be more general than what they actually researched in the study.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I agree, whilst BMI is not be all and end all, but if someone has a BMI of 40+...that is obese, morbidly so. No other way to put it, can't use "BMI not the accurate" as a defence. BMI of 40+ you are looking at like around 300lbs ! You got to be 7 and a half foot tall to not be obese with that kind of weight.

So as a ball park, for people of average height, BMI is a good target to aim for. (in before someone uses an extreme example as a rebuttal when I just used someone with 7.5ft tall already)



Sample of 1.

You also said you fast 24-48hrs to lose weight. It begs the question.....Why do you need to fast if you can maintain your weight with your diet?
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2 years ago I was 120kg, obviously very obese. I'm now 69kg, I work out a lot now which is why I get hungry and I eat for satiety and to make sure I'm getting enough protein to support that, so day today I eat to gain weight (muscle). I do however still have a big of stubborn belly fat so I find the quickest way to shed fat is fasting instead of intentionally starving myself for a long period. I find it easier and more pleasurable to eat in this pattern. It's basically a bulk and cut pattern, I just don't really put on fat while bulking (lean bulk).

Other people find other eating patterns to their preference, like intermittent fasting.

Obviously there is day to day variability in my weight but that's just normal
 
andybird123 said:
2 years ago I was 120kg, obviously very obese. I'm now 69kg, I work out a lot now which is why I get hungry and I eat for satiety and to make sure I'm getting enough protein to support that, so day today I eat to gain weight (muscle). I do however still have a big of stubborn belly fat so I find the quickest way to shed fat is fasting instead of intentionally starving myself for a long period. I find it easier and more pleasurable to eat in this pattern. It's basically a bulk and cut pattern, I just don't really put on fat while bulking (lean bulk).

Other people find other eating patterns to their preference, like intermittent fasting.

Obviously there is day to day variability in my weight but that's just normal
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What's the difference between fasting and intentionally starving yourself?

p.s. well done going from 120 to 70. That deserves hats off and respect.
 
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Lightnix said:
It seems like this preliminary study is talking about a possibility that in some patients with constipation caused by bulky stools, stool bulking (presumably) insoluble fibre may actually exacerbate their issue. I think this is an interesting finding but the way you presented it originally seems to be more general than what they actually researched in the study.
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I'll dig through his presentation because there was a load more info in there
 
Quartz said:
FYI Sabine Hossenfelder has a video on YouTube about IBD. What worked for her was cutting out sugar alcohols - xylitol and the like.
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Yeah I've seen it. Issue is it's quite an individualised disease and dietary changes often can alleviate symptoms but in general are not thought to change the underlying inflammatory process. I've seen enough war stories of people "thinking" they've treated their IBD through diet alone only for it to bite them later anyway. I would not be averse to trying an exclusion although as pointed out in the video, it's easier said than done.
 
Mason- said:
When you're a government looking after a large population ~70 million, then you need metrics that are simple and easy for people to understand and are reasonably accurate in most cases. BMI achieves that, of course there will be outliers but there will be for any system you use. It's not credible for every GP to do body fat measurements, fitness tests etc etc. hop on a scale, let me measure your height, stick it in a table, bosh. Here is a reasonable estimate of whether you are over/underweight, or just fine. Of course it's not perfect, but for the majority, it'll do and it's a reasonable indicator.
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I understand that. I would have said the same before computers became mainstream.

These days we could do more individualised tests, especially as AI starts taking over routine examinations.
 
Raymond Lin said:
p.s. well done going from 120 to 70. That deserves hats off and respect.
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Thanks, it has been the most I've ever lost and the longest I've kept it off. Yes I am n=1, but I was inspired by seeing 100's of other people's n=1's, having also failed on all the same diets I'd already tried.

That's why I'm such an advocate for this way of eating. Data is a bit thin (as junk food companies pay for 90% of nutrition research) but it is coming gradually. Edit: thats not to say it is for everyone, if someone says they aren't interested then thats fair enough
 
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andybird123 said:
Thanks, it has been the most I've ever lost and the longest I've kept it off. Yes I am n=1, but I was inspired by seeing 100's of other people's n=1's, having also failed on all the same diets I'd already tried.

That's why I'm such an advocate for this way of eating. Data is a bit thin (as junk food companies pay for 90% of nutrition research) but it is coming gradually.
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Ultimately if it works for you good for you. And I concur well done on the weight loss and lifestyle change! That's awesome.

Do you get your bloods done regularly out of interest?
 
BowdonUK said:
I understand that. I would have said the same before computers became mainstream.

These days we could do more individualised tests, especially as AI starts taking over routine examinations.
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And maybe we will, remember this is the NHS we're talking about. Some services in some trusts still use 'paper notes' which can get lost, why isn't it all on a single system that any trust/doctor can access!!!
 
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Freefaller said:
Ultimately if it works for you good for you. And I concur well done on the weight loss and lifestyle change! That's awesome.

Do you get your bloods done regularly out of interest?
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Yes, I've had bloods done yearly plus 1 month in to carnivore and 1 month ago

I was very skeptical going in to this and was actually a bit worried what they would show but they've been really positive
 
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andybird123 said:
Yes, I've had bloods done yearly plus 1 month in to carnivore and 1 month ago

I was very skeptical going in to this and was actually a bit worried what they would show but they've been really positive
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Excellent! I do mine 6 monthly, with over 100 markers checked. It really helps tweak your lifestyle and makes you reflect on what your life has been like and what you need to do to change.
 
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