Whats the MH look? Men's health? Even they look too big to me lol... but yes they do look good. In fairness I ignored all your advice before and went to get more ripped. I went from 11 1/2 stone to 10 1/2 and infact I look bigger and I am stronger aswell drug free. I do have fat on me but I think a lot of you guys have far too much fat on yourselves so comparing me to you is not the same, I look at footballers and look at me theres a massive difference. I don't want the massive look I don't care for it. I want to look lean and just every muscle visible without looking too ill and skinny I want to be a normal size. 11 stone low bodyfat is my goal.