*** OcUK Powerlifting Totals Thread ***

LiE said:
Nice lift Tommy, no video though? :(
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Unfortunately not, but I swear to all that is holy, I wouldn't count it if it wasn't a proper press.

Am going to concentrate on my squat (knee depending!!) and deadlift a lot more in the coming months, they are seriously slacking!!!
 
Ok definition of a squat after 20 years on and off competing and hours of research.

1. There is absolutely no evidence that a full squat (Olympic squat) or (half squat) can damage your knees.
2. Full squat (Olympic squat) goes ass to the floor because its the same movement for all three Olympic lifts.
3. Power lifting only demands a half squat (in my days called a sissy squat) unsure where this was derived from probably for show as body builders (power lifters not classed as Olympic lifts) lift for gym glory not competitions (see thousands of Utube uploads lol)
4. A full squat or Olympic squat takes about 75% more strength to lift from a dead stop at the bottom.
5. I only class at age 44 a squat been a full squat and a least a 3 to 5 second count at the bottom of lift before resuming the (Olympic lift).
6. Half squats have been proven to give an imbalance in leg aesthetics in Bodybuilding (only way around this is to do Olympic or both).
7. If you don't already try a full squat (genetics apply) with a dead stop at the bottom you should. Try a Balance ball against a wall, pushing back on it as you do a squat easy no!
8. Genetics do apply some people especially taller chaps find it hard to full squat.
9. Bring back full squats to your gym, im sick of people loading the bar up to squat 6 inches or so, look at me 4 20kg`s a side im strong, no you aint!!!!!!
10. There is no need to wear a belt at all (was thought to stop you getting a hernia) but research suggest hernia`s are genetic. (or using bloody knee wraps at least till you hit 250kg`s)
11. Rant over i was trained by Pete Tansey who passed away last month (R.I.P) doing what he loved ( British and European Body Building Champion and Olympic Qualifier.)
12. Squats aint just for your legs they give a (depth back to front) that no other exercise can achieve, you should struggle to walk for at least 2 days after a leg workout.

Ass to the grass simples (personal best on the dark side 630 lb for 3 reps at 18 years old) (now im a lot older just started again 160 kg with 3 second rest a bottom and i mean at the bottom 6 reps im to scared to do a 1 rep max just yet, with a shoulder injury i have to use a lifting strap on the bar and hold it 6 inches lower with my left arm , not ideal but it works)


Frigging leg press ffs i give up, look at me i can lift half a ton 3 inchs back and forth! (i class them as calf- raises)

RIP Pete Tansey
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Me at 18 years young
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Good advise, however, I'd suggest that if you have mobility problems and you're tucking in or wobbling at the bottom, or your knees come together you have flexibility issues. As such going ATG is not going to help those problems. Indeed, I'd suggest you fix that before trying to go ATG every time you squat. No point in doing a deep squat if you're actually causing yourself grief. However, going beyond parallel is absolutely important.
 
zuludawn said:
Ok definition of a squat after 20 years on and off competing and hours of research.

1. There is absolutely no evidence that a full squat (Olympic squat) or (half squat) can damage your knees.
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How about detrimental effects to an already damaged knee? Specifically an ACL and meniscus tears, which has had a reconstruction already.
 
ATG isn't really possible with low bar squat (see my post in the gym ratz thread). I'd say go as low as you can as long as your form is tight. The problem is many people who go ATG do so with bad form and don't fully understand the mechanics of the lift.

I do agree that the majority of people don't have a clue when it comes to squatting, doing only a very small ROM (bend the knees a bit then back up!).
 
zuludawn said:
Ok definition of a squat after 20 years on and off competing and hours of research.

1. There is absolutely no evidence that a full squat (Olympic squat) or (half squat) can damage your knees.
2. Full squat (Olympic squat) goes ass to the floor because its the same movement for all three Olympic lifts.
3. Power lifting only demands a half squat (in my days called a sissy squat) unsure where this was derived from probably for show as body builders (power lifters not classed as Olympic lifts) lift for gym glory not competitions (see thousands of Utube uploads lol)
4. A full squat or Olympic squat takes about 75% more strength to lift from a dead stop at the bottom.
5. I only class at age 44 a squat been a full squat and a least a 3 to 5 second count at the bottom of lift before resuming the (Olympic lift).
6. Half squats have been proven to give an imbalance in leg aesthetics in Bodybuilding (only way around this is to do Olympic or both).
7. If you don't already try a full squat (genetics apply) with a dead stop at the bottom you should. Try a Balance ball against a wall, pushing back on it as you do a squat easy no!
8. Genetics do apply some people especially taller chaps find it hard to full squat.
9. Bring back full squats to your gym, im sick of people loading the bar up to squat 6 inches or so, look at me 4 20kg`s a side im strong, no you aint!!!!!!
10. There is no need to wear a belt at all (was thought to stop you getting a hernia) but research suggest hernia`s are genetic. (or using bloody knee wraps at least till you hit 250kg`s)
11. Rant over i was trained by Pete Tansey who passed away last month (R.I.P) doing what he loved ( British and European Body Building Champion and Olympic Qualifier.)
12. Squats aint just for your legs they give a (depth back to front) that no other exercise can achieve, you should struggle to walk for at least 2 days after a leg workout.
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Some good stuff here, but a few points:

1) Agree for the most part, though there is some plausibility that half squats can damage the knee. A full depth squat transfers tension from the patella tendon to the hamstrings at the bottom of the squat, making the lift a knee-neutral lift. If you stop half way, your then reversing the direction of the weight and dramatically increasing the tension on the patella tendon as it won't be transferred to the hamstrings. And seeing as people will always lift more on a half squat, this could be a recipe for disaster.
2) What are the three Olympic lifts? Snatch and C&J I know, but what's the third?
3) This is simply not true. Powerlifters have to squat below parallel (hip crease below top of patella). Now, one of the problems in powerlifting is that some federations are a little more relaxed in judging depth, but the legitimate established feds are very strict when it comes to depth. Check out IPF meets, the use knee wraps, but squat well below parallel, but not ATG. This is fine for powerlifting. Bodybuilders tend not to squat to depth, but they aren't judged on squat depth so whatever.
4) Why would anyone need to squat from a dead stop? Olympic lifters certainly do not, and powerlifters definitely do not. In training, they may do some paused squats, but never in competition. Oly lifters sometimes looks as if they pause, but they're coming up from a small double bounce at the bottom.
5) Again, I don't really see why anyone would only consider a paused squat a squat?
6) I agree that true half squats are potentially dangers, especially half squats.
7) Yes, people should be squatting to depth.
8) At 5'10", I wouldn't know! :p
9) Cannot agree more!
10) Agree, belts aren't necessary. But they're very nice to use, and take nothing away from the squat. Contrary to the myth, abs do not get weaker or 'go to sleep' when using a belt. One can be ****-strong with or without a belt, it's personal preference. I like belts though. They don't technically help lift the weight (in the way wraps or a suit does) but belts enable you to work harder (by enabling you to increase intra-abdominal pressure to get tighter and apply force better).
11) Sorry for your loss.
12) Agreed yet again!


These are just some things I've gained over the years, though not as many years as you.
 
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FNGsam -------- 90 / 100(b) / 110+(s) -------- [77kg] ---- 300kg

I thought for a moment 377 that isn't too bad after reading the list but unfortunately the total doesn't include my weight :D:(
 
I've had a slack couple of months. Not been training with much intensity, lack of motivation and a crap diet.

Went to the gym with my bro and his mate on Wednesday and thought fcuk it I'll try a PB on deadlift. I wasn't feeling particularly strong but my bro had recently pulled a 230 and I have to try and keep up! Anyway I did it but it sure wasn't pretty.

 
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In regards to form do you think its worth having a few sessions with a personal trainer? I'm really struggling with squat form especially. I'm ok up to a point but as soon as I go below parallel my back starts to round and I tend to lean forward. I just can't seem to get it right.
 
Depends on the personal trainer, most don't really know the finer points of the more technical lifts. How I learned was a long process.

1. Watch videos/read articles from top coaches.
Couple of my recommendations.
Deadlift - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRRlk6264I&feature=player_embedded
Squat - http://startingstrength.com/articles/squat_rippetoe.pdf

2. Drop the weight and focus on getting comfortable with the new form.
3. If you are struggling with a particular part of the lift, take a video and post it here and we can provide feedback.
4. Enjoy :)
 
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