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OcUK RTX4080 16GB review thread

Thing is as well, if these literally aren't shifting at all, it's not if but when will prices be slashed? No company can have a product just sitting there on the shelves.... So question is if nvidia do slightly cut the price, will amd cut their prices a bit more? After all, in theory amd should be able to drop even further due to their chiplet design?

I would laugh if/when all ampere stock is gone and the 4080 and 4090 take amperes old pricing :cry:
 
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Nvidia can't shift MSRP 4080s, what chance has AMD of shifting £1000 cards in this financial climate.

Nvidia/AMD shareholders right now.....


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From the Nvidia 4080 benchmarks and what AMD has told us about the 7900xtx they have clearly price fixed this time, just wait for the 7900xtx benchmarks and you will see they fall at the same price per frame almost ...

Again proving ...



4080 Fe's sat in stock all day and will for the rest of the week and they will then pretend sold out and magically come back in stock and again out and in till they try sucker people to feel like they may miss out.. It really has all become a huge scam now.
 
Nvidia has the market share and mindshare, if they are not shifting cards AMD has no chance at a grand regardless of performance. And the 4080 can be had for £1269 which is nearly £500 cheaper than 4090, they aint selling. After initial rush AMD cards will to be gathering dust on shelves.

Not necessarily a bad thing is it? I think out of the two vendors, AMD should be able to manufacture them cheaper. Judging by prices of 6000 vs 30 cards, its nvidia who refuse to drop too low so I imagine AMD can price drop below the £1000 mark whereas Jensen wont entertain it.
 
Nvidia can't shift MSRP 4080s, what chance has AMD of shifting £1000 cards in this financial climate.

They will not sell that many. TBH that is never the business plan. The money comes from mid level GPUs. Where Nvidia has been as stagnant as a still pond for years now. Every single mid range card since the 1060 has been a crushing disappointment. Mostly because those are the cards people actually buy, and are the bread and butter. No company cut their teeth on flagships dude.

Where AMD can REALLY hurt Nvidia now? is laptops. Crikey, the money we are talking in that field alone is absolutely MONSTROUS. Remember, AMD also make CPUs. So they can offer the whole package, whilst Nvidia still need to rely on Intel. Who let's face it have had their face in the pillow taking a rectal pounding for years now.
 
Where AMD can REALLY hurt Nvidia now? is laptops. Crikey, the money we are talking in that field alone is absolutely MONSTROUS. Remember, AMD also make CPUs. So they can offer the whole package, whilst Nvidia still need to rely on Intel. Who let's face it have had their face in the pillow taking a rectal pounding for years now.
Am guessing AMD also make loads from the Xbox & Playstation consoles
 
Am guessing AMD also make loads from the Xbox & Playstation consoles

Sort of. They have to sell those awfully cheap. Mostly at launch Sony and M$ make a loss, just to get them out there and get licensing fees for games rolling in. A lot of consoles aren't profitable, it's the 15% they take in revenue from every game sold that is.

AMD 7000 CPUs was one of the most disappointing things I have seen in a very long time. The CPUs? would have been fine, but the board prices are off the scale. It just makes it too prohibitive unless you are a creator and go with the 7950x.

But aye, you're spot on Rumple. Plus the bubble has burst hasn't it? we are off the lead now and can actually go and do real things.
 
Sort of. They have to sell those awfully cheap. Mostly at launch Sony and M$ make a loss, just to get them out there and get licensing fees for games rolling in. A lot of consoles aren't profitable, it's the 15% they take in revenue from every game sold that is.

AMD 7000 CPUs was one of the most disappointing things I have seen in a very long time. The CPUs? would have been fine, but the board prices are off the scale. It just makes it too prohibitive unless you are a creator and go with the 7950x.

But aye, you're spot on Rumple. Plus the bubble has burst hasn't it? we are off the lead now and can actually go and do real things.

Sony isn't making any losses on the ps5 and hasn't after the 2nd update of it, they reduced the cost to make them and were making profit and they have even made a 3rd version now that is even cheaper to make and they also raised the prices by £50 on them.

So far we heard from MS with XBOX series S making a profit and with XBOX series X making a small loss so they tell us but again don't believe that.

It's now just greed what is being done in the whole industry and a device that has been out over 2 years now still above msrp is just plain stupid from how it was in the past. We have never seen this in our life times for such devices to be more than the original release price and after 2 years on the market they have even gone up. Pure greed and nothing more than a scam that is being played out by these companies and the whole electronics industry involved with computer related parts, why are tvs and other electricals losing value as time goes on and nowhere near their original msrp when released and a 2 year old tv for example is worth less than half the price after 2 years on the market not gone up.

People now need to stop feeding these greedy companies and retailers that are taking advantage on top, nothing more than theft what is going on now. Let them sit on them and wait till they come back to their real prices, just look at the scam with the 3090ti that sold for $2000 and now can be had in USA for $1100, $900 they cut from the price almost half it's original value in under half a year and you think they are making a loss at the new price ? NO they are still making a profit on every single one sold, people just need to stop the FOMO buying and feeding these companies the idea it's ok to do this and just have to look at UK retailers of AIBs how is it possible for one retailer to sell you the exact same item £250-£500 less than another retailer? Because they are price gouging all of them even the ones that look cheaper, let them sit on them and enjoy what you have or be ready for a £2000 msrp 5090 next time and a £1650 5080 FE and of course AIBS will be more and then retailers again adding their fake prices on top with the selling point it's on sale or some magic price you can buy it at more than 25%-40% the original msrp, just have to look at how the AIBs hide their real msrps so not to upset retailers that are their only customers in most cases as they don't sell direct and when they do they stick a msrp that is basically same as the retailers after watching them for a two weeks, did you notice that ? They don't even stick their cards on their stores till they have been out a while and then price them, the MSI Suprim x 4090 was sold for £1749.99 on the first day by some retailers and now go look at the price at retailers and MSI store, it's all price fixing now and scamming their customers.

Sit out of this generation till the prices drop to reality and don't feed these greedy companies now with never before seen profits all done at your expense and for your convenience... :rolleyes:
 
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Nah seriously when they say they are taking a loss they are. They can't lie, as the shareholders can see all that.

The PS5 IMO was far too expensive, but fair play to Sony they deffo won the round and thus can take the pee.

I have a really strong feeling that the bubble has now firmly burst, and people are going to feel utterly stupid by coming up with memes such as "Shut up and take my money". Those days are over.
 
Thing is Ryzen 7000 chips aren't selling either. When are these companies going to realise there is a cost of living crisis and no one has any spare money to spend on luxury computer components
Most companies lower prices when their goods are not selling yet nvidia puts them up so it's no wonder their revenue is dropping through the floor.

The thing is that despite the grim economic outlook a lot of people would still buy gpus if they were fairly priced so nvidia are really cutting of their nose to spite their face.
 
Sony isn't making any losses on the ps5 and hasn't after the 2nd update of it, they reduced the cost to make them and were making profit and they have even made a 3rd version now that is even cheaper to make and they also raised the prices by £50 on them.

So far we heard from MS with XBOX series S making a profit and with XBOX series X making a small loss so they tell us but again don't believe that.

It's now just greed what is being done in the whole industry and a device that has been out over 2 years now still above msrp is just plain stupid from how it was in the past. We have never seen this in our life times for such devices to be more than the original release price and after 2 years on the market they have even gone up. Pure greed and nothing more than a scam that is being played out by these companies and the whole electronics industry involved with computer related parts, why are tvs and other electricals losing value as time goes on and nowhere near their original msrp when released and a 2 year old tv for example is worth less than half the price after 2 years on the market not gone up.

People now need to stop feeding these greedy companies and retailers that are taking advantage on top, nothing more than theft what is going on now. Let them sit on them and wait till they come back to their real prices, just look at the scam with the 3090ti that sold for $2000 and now can be had in USA for $1100, $900 they cut from the price almost half it's original value in under half a year and you think they are making a loss at the new price ? NO they are still making a profit on every single one sold, people just need to stop the FOMO buying and feeding these companies the idea it's ok to do this and just have to look at UK retailers of AIBs how is it possible for one retailer to sell you the exact same item £250-£500 less than another retailer? Because they are price gouging all of them even the ones that look cheaper, let them sit on them and enjoy what you have or be ready for a £2000 msrp 5090 next time and a £1650 5080 FE and of course AIBS will be more and then retailers again adding their fake prices on top with the selling point it's on sale or some magic price you can buy it at more than 25%-40% the original msrp, just have to look at how the AIBs hide their real msrps so not to upset retailers that are their only customers in most cases as they don't sell direct and when they do they stick a msrp that is basically same as the retailers after watching them for a two weeks, did you notice that ? They don't even stick their cards on their stores till they have been out a while and then price them, the MSI Suprim x 4090 was sold for £1749.99 on the first day by some retailers and now go look at the price at retailers and MSI store, it's all price fixing now and scamming their customers.

Sit out of this generation till the prices drop to reality and don't feed these greedy companies now with never before seen profits all done at your expense and for your convenience... :rolleyes:

I am sure many were thinking this to a couple of years ago while you was busy buying a RTX 3090 for £1400+ :p:D
 
Don't think anyone was expecting the 4080 to be £650 . £1269 is an insult and £900 is still too much
Yes its a lot, but most people buying a 4080 are selling a 3080/3090. Is spending £4-600 every 2 years rough for you main hobby? I have friends who have season tickets and watch soccer matches in the pub that pay more for their hobby.
 
I am sure many were thinking this to a couple of years ago while you was busy buying a RTX 3090 for £1400+ :p:D

Your answer why is here :-

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They are also missing a Titan Z that sold for $3000.


The price and the VRAM amounts, 3090/ti were meant to be the real Titans of that Ampere generation, Ampere Titan X and XP, but AMD made them change their card naming and move every card up a tier in chip as you know because they had real performing cards the 6900xt/6950xt and 6800xt. Also the real 3080 should have been on GA103, the chip that ended up in laptops as 3080ti with 16GB VRAM ;).

The 3090 was a steal at £1400 for pro users and gamers really didn't need to apply to buy one unless they used Sims or games that were heavily modded and needed the extra VRAM and also people on VR could have made good use of them too, the rest that purchased them well that was their choice and in most cases forced to buy them because as we all know unicorns in the form of 3080fe's were hard to get and AIBS were stupidly priced and then the miners came in and scalping, which made even 3090s go over £3000+ and the 3080 10GB for £1500+, so why people purchased them is right here and was right in front of us all during the release of the 30 series class cards.

Also you should know this as you had a 3080FE and sold it to CEX for over £1600+ during all that mess :p
 
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Yes its a lot, but most people buying a 4080 are selling a 3080/3090. Is spending £4-600 every 2 years rough for you main hobby? I have friends who have season tickets and watch soccer matches in the pub that pay more for their hobby.
the part about what people spend other money on, sure that happens, but the "most people buying" part is utter spherical's, many people like me are still on 1000 series cards and some on 900 series, who have been waiting for a fair priced good upgrade. this gen the ONLY reasonable upgrade is a 4090 ffs, nvidia has lost its mind over the 4080 and the lower stack as they try to shift the previous gen which is STILL selling at over rrp 2 years down the line.

just because people have £1k to spend on a new gpu doesn't mean they will be doing so, i set a hard target of around £500 yes i can get a 3060ti now for less but we should have seen the 3080's hit 500 by now more so with the 4080's release but shenanigans afoot.
 

Just one thing missing. Turing. It launched when there was no mining going on, and 2080Tis were well over £1500 for top end models. And that was pre covid, too.

The 2080ti was one of the worst selling GPU's of the last decade - of all the xx80 or ti cards it's always been at the bottom of the steam survey, the titan cards don't even register at all. They've rebadged them as xx90 but they've also lopped £700 off the MSRP.

The 2080ti was tu102 and even then sold really poorly, the 4080 is ad103 so is even worse value.
 
just because people have £1k to spend on a new gpu doesn't mean they will be doing so, i set a hard target of around £500 yes i can get a 3060ti now for less but we should have seen the 3080's hit 500 by now more so with the 4080's release but shenanigans afoot.
Yeah - it's crazy to me that the lowest priced 3060 Ti that Overclockers has on offer is £428.99 two years after the cards launched at an MSRP of £369. It's been suggested that nvidia's current strategy is to price lower-tier purchasers out of the 40-series and drive them towards 30-series cards but there's no value there. The 3060 Ti is the most attractively priced card but still too expensive. Potential buyers that have waited *years* to get a 3080 can't buy one below £749.99 (OC's lowest price) vs. the MSRP of £649.

AMD at least has been doing price cuts across the 6000-series (and, I believe they have a lot less stock to sell through) - even so, AMD have hardly had to be price competitive since nvidia's doing nothing to drive prices down in the lower-end.
 
Yes its a lot, but most people buying a 4080 are selling a 3080/3090. Is spending £4-600 every 2 years rough for you main hobby? I have friends who have season tickets and watch soccer matches in the pub that pay more for their hobby.
The 4080 is a rubbish cut down card that's closer to last gen performance than it is a 4090, no one in their right mind is going to pay £1300+ for them.

If nvidia wanted to sell a card at this price then they should have made a 4080ti on a 102 die.

I'd set myself a budget of 1k for a new card and even at 1k I still wouldn't buy one.
 
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The 4080 is a rubbish cut down card that's closer to last gen performance than it is a 4090, no one in their right mind is going to pay £1300+ for them.

If nvidia wanted to sell a card at this price then they should have made a 4080ti on a 102 die.

I'd set myself a budget of 1k for a new card and even at 1k I still wouldn't buy one.

Yet people did buy them and some still will. Thankfully it looks like Nvidia are running out of willing victims.

I am hoping they are finding their “we’ve gone too far limit”, and some sense prevails. This is genuinely the very worst executed release of a GPU range NVidia have ever done. In my opinion it’s all down to NVIDIA’s arrogance and greed, they just started believing their own hype.

  1. 4080 Almost doubled in price over previous 3080.
  2. Not selling anywhere near they hoped.
  3. Reduced features (no NVLink) means the 4090 is priced like a Titan but isn’t one. So “cheap workstation card” excuse cannot be used.
  4. Unlaunched the joke edition 4080 12GB
  5. Even many of the usually sycophantic press are writing scathing articles aimed at Nvidia.
  6. Far too much stock of old gen cards
  7. Old gen cards still being pushed over MSRP
  8. The most well recognised and renowned AIB partner up and quits due to Nvidia and their ********.
  9. A complete failure to recognise the market conditions of 2020 - 2021 no longer exist
  10. But most tellingly… even the most ardent Nvidia apologists on this forum are not happy with the pricing and aren’t even trying to defend Nvidia.
Are we finally at peak Nvidia?
 
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Yes its a lot, but most people buying a 4080 are selling a 3080/3090. Is spending £4-600 every 2 years rough for you main hobby? I have friends who have season tickets and watch soccer matches in the pub that pay more for their hobby.

That means I would be accepting and justifying Nvidia price hike paying for the 4080 which in my book is insulting so no I would not sell the 3080 and add in rest to buy the 4080

I don't buy season ticket it's expensive I watch it by other cheaper means and still enjoy it , just like people out there willing to pay for 4090

I like to get most value and strictly stay £500-£750
 
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