Just the way it is with gpu 'wars'. For some people its entry to a cult and not just a piece of hardware.
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OcUK RX7800XT and RX7700XT review thread
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Just the way it is with gpu 'wars'. For some people its entry to a cult and not just a piece of hardware.
I admit to having an AMD preference but can have often been very critical of their actions. The fact they are only marginally better than Nvidia does not make them my friend or saviour.
Names either matter or they don't, you can't just go around making up arbitrary rules for when a name matters and when it doesn't.
If only you knew what a fallacy was, resorting to ad hominem attacks...Now that's a fallacy.
Someone's getting a little obsessed.
I think many are getting sucked into thinking good value is just being better than Nvidia yet traditionally the level of performance the 7800XT offers which is around the previous gen 80 has always been available on 60 class Nvidia cards or 600 series AMD cards for under $400
I bet the average gamer buys the best performing GPU either within their budget or for what is needed for their system, and like me, does not give a crap what its called.
I'm at 1080p so a 7800XT is more than enough, if it had been the 7700XT with this same performance i would buy the 7700XT.. just so happens that the 7800XT has the performance i need and want to last me a few years. It has AV1 which i will use at some point when Twitch begin to use it and it has 16GB VRAM which is a nice futureproof at 1080p if i decide to keep it for even longer.
The name means nothing to me, performance and price does.
The 7800XT for ~£500 is a decent purchase and to me it seems like the best card from a bad bunch of GPU's from both sides this time around. (Sorry Intel, but you're just not quite there yet
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I will wait a few weeks or more for the dust, drivers and price to settle down but i think it will be a nice pairing with my 5800X3D which might even get an upgrade to a 7800X3D next year.. we'll see
As you were!
I'm at 1080p so a 7800XT is more than enough, if it had been the 7700XT with this same performance i would buy the 7700XT.. just so happens that the 7800XT has the performance i need and want to last me a few years. It has AV1 which i will use at some point when Twitch begin to use it and it has 16GB VRAM which is a nice futureproof at 1080p if i decide to keep it for even longer.
The name means nothing to me, performance and price does.
The 7800XT for ~£500 is a decent purchase and to me it seems like the best card from a bad bunch of GPU's from both sides this time around. (Sorry Intel, but you're just not quite there yet
)I will wait a few weeks or more for the dust, drivers and price to settle down but i think it will be a nice pairing with my 5800X3D which might even get an upgrade to a 7800X3D next year.. we'll see
As you were!
Nobody has got sucked in to that at all. In fact the last paragraph in the post you replied to alludes to my opinion that AMD are merely better than Nvidia but not perfect.
My post re the price/perf comparison was trying to demonstrate that what AMD did with the 7800 XT, was not the same as what Nvidia have done with the 4070 Ti. Because at least the 7800 XT offers a price/perf increase over previous gen.
I agree the price we are paying for the 7800 XT would have got you near top tier 10 years ago. Though it has always varied it was never this bad for pricing.
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Exactly the point. People getting hung up on the name and ignoring the price/perf metric are just doing “old man yells at cloud”.
The vast VAST majority buying or building a gaming PC will simply have a budget of, “the best I can get for the cheapest”. The 7700XT and 7800 XT are right now the best bang for buck GPUs you can get, even compared to EOL prices. The only way you get better is to go used.
Didn't realize how cut down it is , yeah it's cheaper naming doesn't matter but damn
I see it as an successor to the 6700xt and priced decent from it doesn't stop me thinking name given is dumb but it seems not allowed to call it out
GPU: 6800xt | 7800xt
SKU: N21 | N32 -> worse die
Cores: 4608 | 3840 -> 17% less
CUs: 72 | 60 -> 17% less
RT cores: 72 | 60 -> 17% less
ROPs: 128 | 96 -> 25% less
L3: 128MB | 64 MB -> 50% less
TMUs: 288 | 240 -> 17% less
I see it as an successor to the 6700xt and priced decent from it doesn't stop me thinking name given is dumb but it seems not allowed to call it out
GPU: 6800xt | 7800xt
SKU: N21 | N32 -> worse die
Cores: 4608 | 3840 -> 17% less
CUs: 72 | 60 -> 17% less
RT cores: 72 | 60 -> 17% less
ROPs: 128 | 96 -> 25% less
L3: 128MB | 64 MB -> 50% less
TMUs: 288 | 240 -> 17% less
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The 25% reduction in ROPs is probably why the 7800xt gets beaten by the 6800xt in some games
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The name is dumb as you say. The others are just saying when it comes to buying it's not an important factor like price and performance is. I have been saying it's a 6700xt replacement as it's like for like chip wise. 6700xt is Navi 22 and the 7800xt is Navi 32. The high end chip is Navi 31 which is what they used to replace last gens high end.
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Then we're all doomed.
Given Intel's history of bribery and coercion with Dell, HP and IBM, kickbacks disguised as rebates and the fact if it wasn't for AMD, they'd still be selling us quad core CPU's for £600, they'd be doing exactly the same given the chance.
nope, take your radeon tinted glasses off.
4070/ti is above every rdna2 and 3 gpu in the steam survey, so buyers prefer it over anything radeon,
The 4070 is a piece of #### compared with the RX 7800XT.
Compare it to the 6700 XT specs and release price. I had read rumours this was going to be priced at $600 or $650. Had that been the case I would have called it a total joke, but isn’t $650, it’s $500. At that price it the best bang per buck at its performance tier, which is a low bar unfortunately.
I’m hoping AMD learned from their joke 7900 XT release MSRP debacle. But the fact the 7700 XT is so close in price to the 7800 XT tells us they are still a bit deluded.
Then why didn't AMD call it the 7800 non-XT, if the naming isn't an important factor when it come to the majority of peoples buying decision then why have AMD (and Nvidia) been playing silly buggers with the naming.
Sure, you and other people who've educated themselves on the specs/performance can probably see though the naming of a product, however the majority of people either don't have the time, can't be bothered, or simply don't understand the specs. The simple fact of the matter is names do matter, bigger number = better.
You're more than welcome to show something to someone like uscool posted a while ago when anyone asks about the 7800 XT, 4060 or whatever and spend ages explaining to them what all the acronyms mean, why they matter, and how the card performs across multiple resolutions in multiple games. Or you can give it a name that allows people to instantly compare it to other products on the market and against older models.
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Nvidia are far worse can't stand them, but for some AMD are immune to any sort of criticism yes they are providing better deals from this sh#t show of a generation but let's not pretend they ain't also playing us
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Whether it was 7700xt or 7800 non xt it was always going to cost you £480. Had AMD priced this on the 6800xt price point i would see what all the fuss was about but they didn't. The uproar should be about why the 7900xt came in priced well above the 6800xt price point and there was uproar at the time of release. It's called 7800xt because of that move as 7900xt straight to 7700xt leaves a gap in the naming.
Pretty much the shady antics were all done at the high end renaming.