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OcUK Ryzen 9 3950X review thread

LePhuronn said:
It's more likely AMD didn't anticipate demand for EPYC Rome. That's where all the decent 6 and 8 core chiplets are going.

I wonder who would make TSMC more money Apple or AMD? I say bin off the iPhone crap and redirect production to ramp up Zen 2 :p
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Thats what we want, but to the iphone owners and prospective new users out there they care only about the newest shiny super expensive iphone that has one extra feature (and remove a few) and costs more than a gaming laptop! Yet the annoying thing sells, and so TSMC is happy to give them priority.

As sad as it is to say this, unfortunatelly desktop cpus is a niche market but atleast desktop and EPYC is now picking up. In my uni days everyone had a desktop pc, custom pcs were everywhere and it was rare to have a laptop, now most of the people don't even have one and use their phone for everything and possibly a tablet.

Maybe in a few years time if AMD keeps momentum then we will see better production, its just frustrating that its hard to get the products.

Haha I cannot use a 3000G i have 2 x Vega 56 Nitros to use else i would stay with my trusty old Q9550 from a decade ago.
 
apostolis_kt said:
Thats what we want, but to the iphone owners and prospective new users out there they care only about the newest shiny super expensive iphone that has one extra feature (and remove a few) and costs more than a gaming laptop! Yet the annoying thing sells, and so TSMC is happy to give them priority.

As sad as it is to say this, unfortunatelly desktop cpus is a niche market but atleast desktop and EPYC is now picking up. In my uni days everyone had a desktop pc, custom pcs were everywhere and it was rare to have a laptop, now most of the people don't even have one and use their phone for everything and possibly a tablet.

Maybe in a few years time if AMD keeps momentum then we will see better production, its just frustrating that its hard to get the products.
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It seems as if the issue is that AMD were over ambitious and have over promised in terms of the high end desktop parts.
So it's a binning issue in that AMD either don't have enough suitable chiplets or they are being allocated to other higher margin parts.
At least Threadripper seemingly will have much better supply which is more important as they can't afford to let the professional market down when they are still on the comeback trail.
The same with EPYC, prioritise businesses as there's not that much money in desktop CPU chips costing over £500 compared to workstation/server.
The other thing is that Alienware etc will be selling the 3950X and OEMs will get priority over retail.
Retail is the dregs really!
 
apostolis_kt said:
Thats what we want, but to the iphone owners and prospective new users out there they care only about the newest shiny super expensive iphone that has one extra feature (and remove a few) and costs more than a gaming laptop! Yet the annoying thing sells, and so TSMC is happy to give them priority.
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True, but this is what I've always wondered: TSMC make a profit on the wafers they sell and are paid for supply contracts, they don't get a cut of the profit margin of the actual product they're supplying chips for. On a per wafer basis then, TSMC would make more profit by selling more wafers, which surely has to be AMD's Zen 2 chiplets and Navi.

So just how much money are Apple throwing at TSMC to prioritise their (possibly) significantly smaller order? Because Apple surely wouldn't make TSMC anywhere near as much money as AMD if it was purely down to wafers sold.
 
9th_Attempt said:
This x10million! I've been checking the web everyday since July for these stupid CPUs. Everyday, more of the same; nothing! AMD knew full well in September they had no stock, and yet they waited until the end of September to finally look in the cupboard and realise there was no stock. Like what kind of a company does that?

AMD is taking the Chiplets to use in its EPYIC CPUs, but in doing so, its screwing over loyal high spending consumer desktop customers. I'm ****** off. I bought a 1TB Nvme drive and another 32GB of 32000 CL14 memory in anticipation of the launch in August. Those components are now literally a £100 cheaper...

If AMD were open and honest with the community, I would have some respect for them. But if OCUK has only 4 CPs for sale from AMD, and 10 from a 3rd party, I'm wasting my time and money investing in AMD...

I hate the Idea of going Intel, but at least they are open about being *****, in that you can actually purchase their crap!

Really ****** off!
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It is very annoying, we now have 8 official parts and 10 un-official, 18 in total and were at a total loss what to do with them, 8 Pack is looking at me with evils, my SI department wants them all and you guys want them all at MSRP which with the grey stock is below cost.
In short what to do.

Yes on 9900KS we got 500+ in stock now, had a lot more official stock land today, so those will be moving down in price soon, though still be quite a lot, on the plus side we did have a load more 3900X land today, even better official sourced stock so now we are at £519 and in stock which I think is cheapest in the UK.
 
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I've been waiting for 3950x for months. Got everything else but CPU now. Thinking about going for 3700x now if the stock is that bad (will be even worse here in Czech republic I guess) and buying 4950x next year.

Is it confirmed that AM4 will work with 4000 CPUs or is everyone just guessing that it will?
 
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Kozlicek said:
I've been waiting for 3950x for months. Got everything else but CPU now. Thinking about going for 3700x now if the stock is that bad (will be even worse here in Czech republic I guess) and buying 4950x next year.

Is it confirmed that AM4 will work with 4000 CPUs or is everyone just guessing that it will?
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Its confirmed AM4 will work with 4000 CPU's
 
9th_Attempt said:
If you're buying a 3950X, you don't need PCIe 4... Video encoders and such like have no need for it over the sheer power of multi-core goodness. I have an 1TB ADATA XPG PRO NVME and a 32GB RAM disk and a separate 1TB Sandisk SSD, and 15 8TB HDDs and an optical disk and an 10TB HDD, all connected to an 1800X and an x370 Asrock Gaming Pro with a 8x SATA expansion card (plus additional USB/Soundcard/GPU pcie add-in cards)...

PCIE 4.0- LOL!
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Completely ignored the 16c/32t normal desktop CPU question. LOL!
 
9th_Attempt said:
No silly!

The Intel 10 series aren't available now... Only an idiot would buy without reading the reviews, but if its a choice between an actual 18 core Intel CPU (all-be-it a bit more expensive), and a vapourware AMD 16 core... The choice seems obvious...

Love how you ignored that PCIE 4 not needed BTW!
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18 core Intel is HEDT... You could have been using that for years already, or a Threadripper.
 
9th_Attempt said:
This x10million! I've been checking the web everyday since July for these stupid CPUs. Everyday, more of the same; nothing! AMD knew full well in August they had no stock ahead of the supposed September release date, and yet they waited until the end of September to finally look in the cupboard and realise there was no stock. That means they had literally no 3950X stock at the beginning of in September, not one CPU even though they had announced the launch some months before. Like what kind of a company does that?

AMD is taking the Chiplets to use in its EPYIC CPUs, but in doing so, its screwing over loyal high spending consumer desktop customers. I'm ****** off. I bought a 1TB Nvme drive and another 32GB of 3200 CL14 memory in anticipation of the launch, I bought a 2060 Super from OCUK in August and I paid more than perhaps should have, but wanted a complete system, and OCUK didn't even include the sweets! Those components are now literally a £100 cheaper, and I could have saved enough to buy the Harribo that OCUK denied me too!

If AMD were open and honest with the community, I would have some respect for them. But if OCUK has only 4 CPUs for sale from AMD, and 10 from a 3rd party, I'm wasting my time and money investing in AMD...

I hate the Idea of going Intel, but at least they are open about being *****, in that you can actually purchase their crap!

Really ****** off!
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Exactly as I predicted. AMD doesn't have enough stock of high end parts, that means more people will go buy the 9900k/ks and 18 core Cascade lake
 
9th_Attempt said:
Clearly you're not keeping up with current events - AMD 3950X - $749
Intel 9980XE (or similar) shortly $999

The difference being, one exists and the other doesn't - or haven't you bothered reading this thread? LOL!
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Oh, so all you care about is the price... Not that you'll need X299 or the equivalent HEDT chipset motherboard?
 
9th_Attempt said:
Clearly you're not keeping up with current events - AMD 3950X - $749
Intel 9980XE - or similar - shortly - $999

The difference being; one exists and the other doesn't - or haven't you bothered reading this thread? LOL!
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Wrong pricing.

The i9-10980XE is $979

The 3950x is 749 + Vapor Ware Markup, which currently bring the price to at least $1000usd, probably more. Trying to buy a 3950x means you need to pay nearly 50% markup over RRP and you won't see your chip for months.
 
9th_Attempt said:
Where did I say that? And unless you know more than OCUK, who are one of the largest etailers for computer parts on the UK, they are saying the price doesn't matter, AMD don't have the parts...

Read the thread, that way you won't look so silly!
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You are the one saying you don't want to have to go to Intel, but may not have a choice. That was my original question.

What do Intel have to offer? You then said an 18-core, which I pointed out that you could have had that years ago, or the Threadripper equivalent, but it is HEDT not standard consumer desktop.

So tell me so I don't look 'silly' what do you want? HEDT, standard desktop, a cheap price or something else?
 
9th_Attempt said:
If you're buying a 3950X, you don't need PCIe 4... Video encoders and such like have no need for it over the sheer power of multi-core goodness.
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Leaving aside for a moment the obvious Intel shilling/trolling attempts, what on earth does core count and video encoding have to do with storage or bus speed capacity? If you're downloading and unpacking files at 1Gbps, 5Gbps, 10Gbps or even more you can bet your bottom dollar PCIe4 will be a big bonus. Not to mention things like moving around large media files in half the time. You're essentially replacing NVMe in RAID0 with a single drive, or almost doubling again you array speed. What's not to like?

Edit: Based on what @Gibbo said earlier about parts availability before 2020, it sounds like it's going to be essentially useless to plan an upgrade for anything other than Ryzen 4950X. More IPC, less power usage, EUV lithography and potentially a higher core count. I think I'll ditch the already ridiculously long wait and just look towards next year.
 
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