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but wasn't there well over 10 teams applying for the then 3 places in F1? I cant belive all of them were Cosworth engined.

Is it so hard to believe? Mclaren have already stated they can only do enough engines for one more team next year (Red Bull), Ferrari are picky with thier engines, BMW are out and Renault engines seem to be put together by blind monkees atm (which is why they are being dropped by Red Bull) - what other choice was there?

Plus, Cosworth have been wooing the new teams with some nice test data under NDA's - we can only assume those engines must be good if all the new teams are using them (okay, I admit, they are cheap as well).
 
Is it so hard to believe? Mclaren have already stated they can only do enough engines for one more team next year (Red Bull), Ferrari are picky with thier engines, BMW are out and Renault engines seem to be put together by blind monkees atm (which is why they are being dropped by Red Bull) - what other choice was there?

Plus, Cosworth have been wooing the new teams with some nice test data under NDA's - we can only assume those engines must be good if all the new teams are using them (okay, I admit, they are cheap as well).

Not to mention that it was well know the FIA would be more accomodating to teams who wanted to run Cosworth Engines.

Not suprising most teams went with them if they had the option, and were serious.
 
AFAIK ALL the new teams that submitted a new entry for 2010 planned to use the Cosworth engine, including Pro Drive

Sadly not.

It became a defacto condition to get an enrty you had to use the Cosworth lump - even when many of the teams coming in didn't want to use the Cosworth lump. Prodrive for example wanted a technical partnership with McLaren and Mercedes - Kind of Force Indiaish.

I believe another of the teams that was rejected was looking at Toyota engines.

It's at the point where a court case has been filed against the FIA for illegal practices about the selection of the new teams.
 
Can we just go back to the BMW/Lotus grid places.

I read the articles as though BMW were out so Lotus in. BMW in and reborn, no room for Lotus?

Lotus are the 13th team *although according to F1 tradition, they should be the 14th team... and no 13th team*

BMW are the 14th if the rules are changed to allow 14 teams. Although where they are going to find space in the pitlanes for the 13 existing teams I have no idea. They barely fit the current 10 teams plus the FIA in...
 
As Flibster said, not all the teams that applied were planning to use Cosworth engines, but it became clear that if you didnt wat to use a Cosworth engine, you wouldnt be considered. Legal action doesnt just appear out of nowhere... There was definately some 'favorateism' in the choosing of the new teams based on fitting the FIA's plans for standard engines or a standard engine spec based on Cosworth. Its hard to force a standard enigne when nobody is using it, much easier if 4 or 5 teams on the grid already are...

I expect the standard engines argument to reappear somewhen next year when the FIA go along the lines of "well half the grid are using the same spec engine, so you all should!".
 
Although where they are going to find space in the pitlanes for the 13 existing teams I have no idea. They barely fit the current 10 teams plus the FIA in...

If they stop giving the big teams 4 garages and the smaller ones 2 then they will fit them in easy. Counting at Silverstone at the weekend there was nearly 40 individual garages, and Silverstone is hardly the most modern.
 
WHAT!??! When did this happen..... that sucks!

Technically?

1958-1980 - Independent British Company
1980 - Sold to UEI - Still British
1988 - UEI bought by Carlton - Still British
1990 - Sold to Vickers - Still British
1998 - Volkswagen buy Cosworth and turn it into Cosworth Racing and Cosworth Technology
1998 - Cosworth Racing sold to Ford
2004 - Ford sell Cosworth Racing to ChampCar owners who change name to Cosworth Limited - Cosworth Technology sold by VW to Mahle

So Cosworth Racing/Limited - American since 1998
Cosworth Technology - German since 1998
 
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1998 - Volkswagen buy Cosworth and turn it into Cosworth Racing and Cosworth Technology

All correct Flibster and the above is why Fords stopped having Cosworth engines in them after 1998 and largely why Ford stopped making RWD cars for Europe.

Anyhoo - that's a bit OT - back to F1 discussion.

I'd heard Johnny Herberts name mentioned as a driver manager for Lotus....................
 
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I'd heard Johnny Herberts name mentioned as a driver manager for Lotus....................

Wouldn't surprise me at all. He's appeared at a couple of Classic Team Lotus and Lotus Cars events so obviously has some good will still towards them.

He was at Spyker for a while - Wonder if it something to do with Gascoyne as well.

Just checked - Officially called Lotus F1 Team rather than Team Lotus *possibly the deal with Hunt fell through after the failed entry* and are classed as Malaysian.

*bones up on the Malaysian National Anthem...*
 
He's the expert on it too. ;)

Certainly had some experience of it.....though knowing what we know now, it seems he actually made the correct choice! Hingsight is always 20/20....

Just checked - Officially called Lotus F1 Team rather than Team Lotus *possibly the deal with Hunt fell through after the failed entry* and are classed as Malaysian.

*bones up on the Malaysian National Anthem...*

Bugger. Was hoping they'd be able to bring Lotus back as a British garagiste as it always was. Ah well. It'll just be nice to see that name on the grid again!
 
Bugger. Was hoping they'd be able to bring Lotus back as a British garagiste as it always was. Ah well. It'll just be nice to see that name on the grid again!

Trying to work out if Proton are involved so they could use the Lotus badge as well...

At the moment it seems like it's more Malaysian Government than Proton....
 
You have to wonder at the strategy adopted by the FIA & Mosley, it is almost as if their primary interest is in nailing Briatore:
Briatore, by his own admission, barely knows one end of a racing car from the other. The 59-year-old Italian's speciality is marketing and deal-making, a trade he learned when working for Benetton at the height of the company's prominence in the fashion industry and before it bought the Toleman F1 team, for whom Symonds worked at the time. If Briatore did decide to influence the outcome of the Singapore race, he could not have done it without Symonds's specialised knowledge and experience.

The transcript of the radio conversations at the time of the crash, also made public in a leak unprecedented even by F1's standards of sensitive documents reaching favoured media outlets, gives the impression that Briatore, in a colourful outburst about Piquet's driving, was surprised by the crash. Briatore, an extrovert character, will have been aware that all radio transmissions are monitored by the FIA.

More telling is Piquet's message on lap eight when he asks: "What lap are we in?" A driver usually relies on his pit board to provide that sort of information. At such an early stage, with the pit stops some way off, Piquet should have been focused on racing hard as the race settled down. It was as if there was a more important agenda awaiting nine laps later. Only Briatore, Symonds and Piquet know the truth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/sep/15/renault-flavio-briatore-nelson-piquet-singapore
What sort of immunity is Pat Symonds being given?

Is anyone in F1 or even elsewhere likely to want to employ him with his evasive answers to questions and admission that at best, he knew that Piquet might have crashed deliberately in Singapore?
 
Is anyone in F1 or even elsewhere likely to want to employ him with his evasive answers to questions and admission that at best, he knew that Piquet might have crashed deliberately in Singapore?

Of course they would. If you think this doesn't happen in other teams then you're very naive. This is just a heads up to the other teams that they have to hide their tracks a bit a bit better. If symonds can get away with it, then he's even more of a catch should his career at Renault end.

FIA have always been "cheat but don't get caught" or we'll have to do something about it.
 
Of course they would. If you think this doesn't happen in other teams then you're very naive. This is just a heads up to the other teams that they have to hide their tracks a bit better. If symonds can get away with it, then he's even more of a catch should his career at Renault end.

FIA have always been "cheat but don't get caught" or we'll have to do something about it.
I have absolutely no illusions about the cheating that goes on in F1; god knows, I saw Scumshacker and Briatore get away with it for years.

The point I was trying to make is that if Pat Symonds comes to be seen as someone who will shop his boss and team, it may not altogether enhance his CV. The same applies to Piquet père et fils.
 
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