***Official 2010 F1 thread***

Awaits press release this time next year from Massa

"I have been asked to crash on purpose to aid Fernando's title chase, I felt obligated to comply with the team's wishes":D
 
Without reading the rest of the thread, has this been posted? Laps of the new circuit in Abu Dhabi


I really hope they aren't planning on using that chicane before the tight hairpin with the big stands all around it.

Its a shame you can't really see any of the waterfront, its a bit monotone at the moment, although it might be down to a dull day with a rubbish camera. lol.
 
God give it a rest felipe, stupid fool, only making himself look more of an idiot if he continues going with this stupid injustice stuff.
Are they absolutely sure he is healed, looks like the hit on the head is still messing with his brain.

Oh well, one more reason to cheer when a scarlett car finishes without points.
 
Really not impressed with that track. Pit exit looks dreadful.

Fully expecting to see an accident there at some point over the weekend.


Same here. What the hell was they thinking of building the Pit exit that narrow?
To many slow corners for me.
 
I'd like to see split tracks. I had an idea a long time ago, involving the track splitting and then converging 500m or so later. The 2 tracks should be near identical. This gives the driver who is attempting to overtake another method of getting past the driver in front.

Of course, one of the tracks will be less used and therefore slower, due to less grip, however, the driver attempting to overtake will need to take this into account, if he decides to use the "other" side of the track.

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Now, I should just like to point out that this idea is silly. Now, nobody like a good laugh more than I do. Except my wife. And some of her friends. Oh yes, and Captain Johnson. Come to think of it, most people like a good laugh more than I do, but that's beside the point! This idea is silly!


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Seriously guys, on what level can you possibly think a split track is a good idea?
 
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Seriously guys, on what level can you possibly think a split track is a good idea?

If the track splits in a way that they may be able to T-Bone each other and the drivers wear helmets that makes them look like crash test dummies.

Man I used to love that 4x4 toy I had as a kid with crash test dummins that flew out and all the parts fell off it.
 
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That would only lead to boring overtakes instead of outbraking into a corner just as overtaking in the pits is crap.

I still vote for less diffusers/aero, harder tyres, steel brakes and more powerful engines.

With the refuelling ban I don't see the need to limit the engines as much - if each car has a set ammount of fuel available the only way to get a more powerful engine that would last the full race distance would be to design a more efficient engine and make the most out of every bit of fuel - be it through turbocharging, KERS, water-injection etc.

Surely this is a better goal with more trickle down benefits to the larger motor industry than to constantly constrict the ways in which the cars can be developed.
 
Seriously guys, on what level can you possibly think a split track is a good idea?

Why is it a bad idea?

If the track splits in a way that they may be able to T-Bone each other and the drivers wear helmets that makes them look like crash test dummies.

Now thats just silly. When the track rejoins, no one will be T-boning, as the track would rejoin at an angle of around 45 degrees, hence, giving the overtaking driver (ie. the driver who entered the diverging junction behind) a chance to come out side by side with the lead driver (who entered the diverging junction in front).

Oh and BTW, we used to have no-refuelling in the early 90s. For whatever reason, cars didnt used to run a leaner/richer fuel mixture or save fuel. What generally used to happen is if you were fast on laps 0-10, you were also fast in laps 30-40 and so on. At least with refuelling, you get some variation, with various fuel strategies playing out during the race, such that the audience don't actually know who will win the race until the last fuel stops have played out.

I for one, think that going back to no re-fuelling will make the race much more boring as there will be less variation in pit-stop strategies. In the late 80's and early 90's most cars used to pit to within 2 laps of eachother, which means the car leading in the before the pitstops will almost certainly be leading after the pitstops and will also be leading when the race ends.

Personally, I love excitment. I don't like processions. I like to see unpredictability. Splitting tracks, alternative (non-standard) fuel strategies, poor aero downforce and greater mechanical grip is the way to go.
 
IMO engines are way too limited already, most of the interesting corners like R130 in Suzuka and Eau Rouge are flat out nowadays, the limiting factor should be grip or driver guts.

Bang on.

Reducing aero grip will also require drivers to lift off in some areas. With reduced power engines and high grip, corners which used to be taken in lower gears, with the driver feathering the throttle, are now taken in top gear, flat out, with less skill/bravery.
 
IMO engines are way too limited already, most of the interesting corners like R130 in Suzuka and Eau Rouge are flat out nowadays, the limiting factor should be grip or driver guts.

Is that ever going to be a limiting factor in top teams / cars, surely they will all go as fast as possible given the car setup is correct?

I agree engines are already too limited (and due to be even more so next year - with all being set to be "equal" to the Cossy) - removing a lot fo bias towards aero would make it more exciting relying more on mechanical grip - but while I would love to se "efficiency" being rewarded, it doesnt exactly make for exciting racing (ie over 60 laps x team requires 10kilos less fuel due to efficiency of the engine), baring in mind they are all the same power /revs.....
 
Why is it a bad idea?

It's not a bad idea per se, but it is a silly and gimmicky one. If you need me to explain that, then there really is no hope for humanity.

Oh and BTW, we used to have no-refuelling in the early 90s. For whatever reason, cars didnt used to run a leaner/richer fuel mixture or save fuel. What generally used to happen is if you were fast on laps 0-10, you were also fast in laps 30-40 and so on. At least with refuelling, you get some variation, with various fuel strategies playing out during the race, such that the audience don't actually know who will win the race until the last fuel stops have played out.

I for one, think that going back to no re-fuelling will make the race much more boring as there will be less variation in pit-stop strategies. In the late 80's and early 90's most cars used to pit to within 2 laps of eachother, which means the car leading in the before the pitstops will almost certainly be leading after the pitstops and will also be leading when the race ends.

Um.....what?

Of course they leaned fuel mixtures to save fuel and richened to go all out. I've got tapes of races where the commentary talks about it. AND they had to adjust to cars that changed weight dramatically over the course of a race AND they had to set cars up with much more of a compromise thanks to that AND the tyre construction was necessarily different due to the higher starting weight AND the same goes for the brakes.

As rpstewart on here pointed out, you used to get more than one scenario being played out:

Ahh, late 80s rules. You're right, refuelling needs to go. There's a level of skill required to be able to drive a car who's weight changes dramatically over the course of the race. I'd also like to see tyres to be a bit harder than they are at the moment, not much but enough to last a full race distance if you look after them. Changing tyres should still be allowed but pit crews should be limited to four or six people at the most so that the benefit of changing is marginal. That then gives you three options of running the race:

1) Fast first third wrecks the tyres then change and manage them to the finish - the Senna approach

2) Manage the tyres through half distance, change and then charge for the flag - the Prost approach

3) Manage the one set of tyres for the entire distance - the "how come Ivan Capelli is leading?" approach.

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If you really think it will be utterly dull next year....well, I think you'll be wrong. And as we know, you have on occasion proved to be wrong :D

Personally, I love excitment. I don't like processions.

So you hate modern F1 then ;)

I like to see unpredictability.

Eh, I've got to admit - it does add an element of unpredictability when you don't know what the stewards/FIA are going to come up with next to screw McLaren over/let Renault off!
 
Eh, I've got to admit - it does add an element of unpredictability when you don't know what the stewards/FIA are going to come up with next to screw McLaren over/let Renault off!

I did lol at this... untill I realised this is the only thing providing unpredictability in modern F1 :(
 
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Eh, I've got to admit - it does add an element of unpredictability when you don't know what the stewards/FIA are going to come up with next to screw McLaren over/let Renault off!
Whoa up there JRS, you just hang on one dog-gone minute!

Since when did Ferrari International Assistance start helping Renault :confused:
 
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