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And nothing of value was lost.

$ridiculous million a year and one pole position* to show for it. They deserve their failure for keeping Trulli for so long.


*I'm not counting USA 2005.
 
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we had a surprise at work this morning about 2am
a jumbo landed with most of the F1 cars board, heading back to there factory's
cars stacked 2 high and all the spares, took some unloading
 
Hopefully Toyota will now pour some of the millions they wasted on F1 into developing and reducing the cost of 21st Century cars such as the Prius.

Long term, Honda, Toyota, BMW and Bridgestone have read the writing on the wall; even McLaren are trying to diversify away from the increasingly Las Vegas F1.
 
@frakker - true, I forgot Trulli got a pole this year too.

It is a shame for Kobayashi. Although I think he's shown enough promise to be in with a chance of getting a drive for next year with one of the new teams.
 
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I, for one, think it is a shame that Toyota have left. Toyota, with the vast resources which they were investing into their team and F1. The more money in F1, the better. We shall now get another team (probably Sauber), with a fraction of the resources of Toyota hiring fewer F1 staff and spending less on advertising F1.
 
Mostly upset about Kobayashi losing his likely set, but someone else will get him I hope. I think would be a great addition to the line-up of any team :o
 
Still have 13 teams on the grid next year. Just means that Toyota engines probably won't be available - not that anyone other than Toyota were using them next year.

I don't feel much either way about Toyota leaving, they've always been a bit of a joke. Their habit of hiring and firing people almost randomly didn't help, and neither did hanging onto 'experienced' drivers.

Wave bye bye to the Japanese management style in F1 - thank god!
At least we are keeping Suzuka on the calendar.

With a Renault board meeting today too, we could be down to 12 teams by the end of the day. ;)

If someone buys the Toyota team, do they get preferential entry over Qadback BMW-Sauber as Toyota signed the Concorde agreement?
 
I'm glad Toyota are gone. Teams who have had large budgets have upped the ante making it harder for smaller teams to compete. Cost cuts are the only way to help F1 survive.
 
Flibster said:
If someone buys the Toyota team, do they get preferential entry over Qadback BMW-Sauber as Toyota signed the Concorde agreement?
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I presume they will want a name change, so they will become a new entry, officially speaking. Like Brawn were.
So i doubt they would be able to pick up just like that if there are other teams ahead in the Q.
 
JRS said:
Like several other manufacturers over the years (Honda, BMW, Ford to name three) they'd have been better off just being an engine supplier in F1. They could have linked up with an established team, offered sponsorship, engines and technical support, and cleaned up with their resources.
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Toyota were successful in rally, did OK in Le Mans, so I dont see why they would want to just supply engines.
They switched the TTE division from rally & Le Mans to F1
 
They were successful in rallying, but then they were also banned for 12 months for not only having an illegal air restrictor but also having a mechanism to conceal it from the scrutineers.

Then they also stole Ferrari's data on the 2003 car, copied it pretty much identically and still couldn't get it right.
 
Not that sad to see Toyota go to be honest, although I feel sorry for their staff. I never liked the big manufacturers coming into F1, basically for purely commercial reasons. I would be sad to see Renault go however, as they are at least interested in the racing, plus their team is based in the UK and has the heritage of being in F1 in one way or another pretty much since the late 70s. The team has it's roots back in the Toleman and Benetton teams.
 
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They were successful in rallying, but then they were also banned for 12 months for not only having an illegal air restrictor but also having a mechanism to conceal it from the scrutineers.

Then they also stole Ferrari's data on the 2003 car, copied it pretty much identically and still couldn't get it right.
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Thats actually quite funny. :D
 
Duke said:
Didn't know that. Looking at both cars, they do look a bit similar at the front.
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Yeah IIRC the FIA kept it quite quiet and the penalty imposed was pretty paltry, but I can't remember what it was.

Which makes the McLaren fine look even more ridiculous when you consider that was just a couple of disgruntled employees, whereas the Toyota case came direct from management.
 
Spunkey said:
They were successful in rallying, but then they were also banned for 12 months for not only having an illegal air restrictor but also having a mechanism to conceal it from the scrutineers.
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You have to cross the line sometimes :)
 
There is a very interesting article on Toyota's withdrawal from FI HERE.

It also mentions the possibility of Mercedes switching its involvement from McLaren to Brawn GP which I suspect might result in McLaren alos pulling out of F1 sooner rather than later.

It doesn't really offer much justification for its claim tha Renault will remain in F1; eventually the French Government may get fed up with the expense?
 
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