Poll: Official 2024 Hungarian Grand Prix Race Thread - Hungaroring, Budapest - Race 13/24

Rate the Budapest race out of ten

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Kenai said:
By the time Norris exited the pits and Hamilton passed through the same timing gates, he was about 4.5s behind. He was taking nearly 1.5s per lap out of Norris following his pit stop.
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That isn't my recollection of events, but I can't find the figures anywhere so I guess I'll take your word for it.

cuke2u said:
@Mr Jack what he said. Anyone with hindsight can have an opinion, but it is only hindsight that gives this advantage....
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It's not really hindsight; I said the same thing when it happened. Still, always easier to make calls when you're not responsible for the outcome of them and are making them from the comfort of your living room.
 
Kenai said:
By the time Norris exited the pits and Hamilton passed through the same timing gates, he was about 4.5s behind. He was taking nearly 1.5s per lap out of Norris following his pit stop.

They had more time than they evidently panicked themselves into thinking they had but if they'd done Piastri on 45 and Norris on 46, Hamilton is then potentially only 2.5s - 3s behind the trailing driver, which isn't much cushion for something going wrong during a stop.
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Absolutely. From my privileged position of armchair expert I think McLaren played it right. They had the opportunity for their first 1-2 in 3 years and it seems they were running the pretty common policy of racing each other to the last stop.

Oscar was ahead at that point so the running order was clear. Do they now play it ultra safe and pit Lando first and then swap back on track or do they keep the running order and pit Oscar first? All it would have taken a couple of laps later would have been a crossed wheel nut and then it is game on with Hamilton. At which point he'd have been on the radio complaining that they left the stop too late.

They aren't in the drivers championship fight this year but the constructors title is most definitely on so play the team game first and foremost.

Lando needs to take a breath and realise that the race was decided at lap 45. The fact it was then just a case of bringing it home shows just how strong the team were this weekend which should be taken as a massive positive overall.
 
Mr Jack said:
That isn't my recollection of events, but I can't find the figures anywhere so I guess I'll take your word for it.
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Hamilton was 10s back before he pitted, McLaren chose not to respond immediately (presumably not seeing any risk and so thought they'd stick to their plan), then Hamilton took 1.483s, 1.377 and 1.297 out of Norris over the next few laps. I guess this was enough to make them panic and think sticking to their plan might let Hamilton get too close, so reacted by pitting Norris first. Once they'd both pitted, Hamilton was only 4.5s behind.
 
Mr Jack said:
Does anyone know where to find full transcripts of the team radio? I want to know what was said to Norris prior to the pitstop.
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I'm sure a video of it was in my recommended feed on Youtube this morning, have a search on there for it i'm sure you'l find it,
just search for 'Lando team radio' and filter the results to the last 24 hours
 
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Kenai said:
Hamilton was 10s back before he pitted, McLaren chose not to respond immediately (presumably not seeing any risk and so thought they'd stick to their plan), then Hamilton took 1.483s, 1.377 and 1.297 out of Norris over the next few laps. I guess this was enough to make them panic and think sticking to their plan might let Hamilton get too close, so reacted by pitting Norris first. Once they'd both pitted, Hamilton was only 4.5s behind.
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Fair enough.

cainer said:
I'm sure a video of it was in my recommended feed on Youtube this morning, have a search on there for it i'm sure you'l find it,
just search for 'Lando team radio' and filter the results to the last 24 hours
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All the results I looked at just give the chatter after Piastri's pitstop.
 
cainer said:
I'm sure a video of it was in my recommended feed on Youtube this morning, have a search on there for it i'm sure you'l find it,
just search for 'Lando team radio' and filter the results to the last 24 hours
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Only includes messages from after Norris pitted, the first of which is:

"OK Lando, Oscar has just pitted, he'll likely come out just behind you, we'd like to reestablish the order, at your convenience"

Which presumably went entirely unanswered, broadcast or not, because the next message was asking for a radio check :p

I'm not convinced they told Norris beforehand given the message above, they may not have even expected Norris to leapfrog him in the first place, just as they were seemingly caught by surprise how fast Lewis was catching.
 
Haha his convenience...
Kenai said:

Only includes messages from after Norris pitted, the first of which is:

"OK Lando, Oscar has just pitted, he'll likely come out just behind you, we'd like to reestablish the order, at your convenience"

Which presumably went entirely unanswered, broadcast or not, because the next message was asking for a radio check :p

I'm not convinced they told Norris beforehand given the message above, they may not have even expected Norris to leapfrog him in the first place, just as they were seemingly caught by surprise how fast Lewis was catching.
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What isn't being discussed is Piastris amazing first stint where he kept the gap stable and then pulled away quite significantly, although this somewhat fell apart on the middle stint where he made the mistake and then couldn't build that gap back up and was nowhere near Lando when he had no fuel. Needs to keep working at his race pace, but reckon in the long run he will surpass Norris.
 
Piastri has done that at quite a few races. His problem has consistently been that he cannot manage the tyres well enough. He *always* falls away in the last half/third of a GP distance, exactly as he did this time. It was Lando's poor start that caused this whole thing really. Without that the McLaren's would have been away and free to pit whoever, whenever they liked.
 
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True but he's never managed a stint that well as has usually fallen off towards the end of the stint, this time he was keeping the pace and building that gap. What was it 8-9s or so before first stops?
 
Agreed. If I was the McLaren team manager I'd be making sure that double-stack pitstop drills were moved up in priority. It seems that Piasti and Norris are just about the 2 most evenly matched pairing on any given weekend, so I can see this whole thing happening again before the season's out.
 
GravyMonster said:
Agreed. If I was the McLaren team manager I'd be making sure that double-stack pitstop drills were moved up in priority. It seems that Piasti and Norris are just about the 2 most evenly matched pairing on any given weekend, so I can see this whole thing happening again before the season's out.
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However that places extreme pressure upon the pit crew which Andrea Stella stated they didn't want to do so they went for the safer option to preserve the 1-2. Unless by magic you could predict what would happen if they did try a double stack it is purely hypothetical. If something had gone wrong then they'd be criticised by the armchair experts as well.
 
Feek said:
I was genuinely surprised they didn't stack them, I thought that gap would have been just about enough to do it.
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Unless there is an absolute necessity to double stack the cars (changing tyre type due to rain) then teams won't do this. It only takes a slight issue on the first car, and things are more likely to go wrong with the added pressure. and then both cars are compromised.
 
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