Why was it obvious? It seems this time the stewards adjudicated that Norris was ahead at the apex, which apparently means Max has to leave him room, which he didn't.
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Why was it obvious? It seems this time the stewards adjudicated that Norris was ahead at the apex, which apparently means Max has to leave him room, which he didn't.
It's actually frustrating. I'm no fan of Max as a sportsman or person, but I can still appreciate that he IS a phenomenally fast F1 driver. He's actually also pretty good at wheel to wheel but only when he wants to be.
As you say, he far too often resorts to underhand tactics when he knows he's beaten (especially when it's his title rival), which makes him a very unlikable driver.
He's definitely one of the best drivers on the grid, but these antics sour it a lot.
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He’s gotten away with it for most of his F1 career, having been enabled by the FIA and RB. It also largely contributed to his first WDC. It’s all just made his behaviour worse.
Missed the race but catching up with highlights.
Max pushing his luck again but this time not managing to keep in the grey areas of loopholes.
First defence he was nowhere near being first to the apex (or indeed any part of the corner), so Norris entitled to the room, slam dunk penalty for Max. The only way he was getting to the apex first was through the back of the Ferrari.
Norris perhaps wising up a bit too, with the second incident. Leaving the door tantalisingly open rather than defending the inside but braking late enough that (a probably slightly wound up) Max wouldn't be able to help himself but launch one up the inside with no hope of making the turn. Once they were both forced off, with Max emerging in front and obviously gaining the lasting advantage, there was again little choice for the stewards other than to penalise Max in the scenario.
Always nice to see Sainz pick up a win too.
Max pushing his luck again but this time not managing to keep in the grey areas of loopholes.
First defence he was nowhere near being first to the apex (or indeed any part of the corner), so Norris entitled to the room, slam dunk penalty for Max. The only way he was getting to the apex first was through the back of the Ferrari.
Norris perhaps wising up a bit too, with the second incident. Leaving the door tantalisingly open rather than defending the inside but braking late enough that (a probably slightly wound up) Max wouldn't be able to help himself but launch one up the inside with no hope of making the turn. Once they were both forced off, with Max emerging in front and obviously gaining the lasting advantage, there was again little choice for the stewards other than to penalise Max in the scenario.
Always nice to see Sainz pick up a win too.
Caporegime
And this is the problem. People can complain all they like but there is a reason he drives like this. He has been rewarded for years for doing it. Why wouldn't he do it at this point? He should have been come down on hard years ago and it would have stopped. Hes a fantastic driver but he takes the **** far too often.
You literally replied to the post where I explained it.
Without penalties, Max finishes 4th (no chance of higher given Ferrari's pace).
Norris finished 5sec behind Carlos but his fight with Max let Charles through and lost him a ton of time to Sainz. Norris should've made that first overtake on Max but didn't because Max pushed him off - had he made that, he had a very good chance at 1st.
1st vs 4th is a 13 point difference.
2nd vs 6th is a 10 point difference.
Norris probably could've had 3 more points even with Max finishing 4th.
Soldato
But, he went into that corner knowing full well he would never pass Max there! But, he also knew the line Max would take!! Says it all really...
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Max finally getting what he deserves - learn your race craft properly max - if he cant overtake without running people off every time, get in the bin and learn to drive properly, hes not a good driver if he can’t overtake with good racecraft - literally all other drivers on the grid manage it.
He deserved 10 x 2 because both times he shows evidence we wished to run another driver off the road and hope he'd get away with it based on a technicality - hoping he was a nose ahead at the apex.........which doesnt remove the intent of he WANTED to force someone off the road...........one of these days he will cause a serious accident & harm to others - so it needs stopping.
He deserved 10 x 2 because both times he shows evidence we wished to run another driver off the road and hope he'd get away with it based on a technicality - hoping he was a nose ahead at the apex.........which doesnt remove the intent of he WANTED to force someone off the road...........one of these days he will cause a serious accident & harm to others - so it needs stopping.
Are you watching the same race as us? Lando was making both corners fine until Max ran him off the road. Drivers are entitled to turn in and attempt to make the corner. Are you suggesting they all just don't even do battle with Max and let him have every corner just because it might result in wheel to wheel battle? People have overtaken around the outside plenty in F1.
Soldato
Look at it properly. He dived down the outside knowing full well he could never overtake Max there!! Lol
Soldato
Everyone is entitled to an opinion!
Rules being applied though
Soldato
Right, because you're not always trying to overtake at a given corner. Part of racecraft is putting your opponent out of position so they lose time, or are slow off the corner, giving you the advantage in to the next corner, or sequence of corners. You've been around the F1 threads for more than enough time to know this, so you're clearly just playing dumb to try and excuse Max's driving.
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Soldato
Rules need looking into though....things need to change as has been discussed..
Soldato
Nope. I just got a different view of it. I like Lando and Max. I dont favour either.
Norris was ahead at the apex, after catching Max up under DRS and being well along side going into the corner. By the rules he therefore must be given space. Max did the usual, run wide on purpose expecting the stewards to penalise Norris for going off the track. The problem is this time Norris was ahead at the apex, unlike the last race. The last race Max was only ahead at the apex because he deliberately breaked too late.. which is why the rules need changing. Plenty of other overtakes were made on that corner and most drivers who were overtaken (there were a few exceptions) did not drive the other car off the road.
The second corner, Max didn't ever bother to slow down enough to make the corner and was going off the track if Norris was there or not. Norris was forced off.
Both fully deserved penalties and about time the FIA punished him for what was boarderline dangerous driving in the second corner.
Based on Norris' laptimes on the hard, and only being what 3 point something seconds behind Carlos at the end.. there is every chance Norris would have won that if it wasn't for Max pushing him back 2 places. But Carlos drove very well all weekend and you can't say he didn't deserve that.
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whatever the rules changes it wont allow driver to be that wreckless
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Soldato
1000's of times, doesn't seem to stop those who think their opinions are greater than any others though.
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