These two lines sum up what I expected, half term is always a rough time on forums
Will leave you to yourself, let you tire yourself out.
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These two lines sum up what I expected, half term is always a rough time on forums
Will leave you to yourself, let you tire yourself out.
So because Max will ram you off you no one should try then ? That's just giving Max the advantage because he will break the rules ? Doesn't seem right
Commissario
Do you actually realise how that sounds?
Soldato
No. One could see clearly what was going to happen there. Max is well known for how he 'defends' those type of situations. It is nonsense logic to think otherwise my friend.
Soldato
Do i care? No. Its my opinion...
Plus, everyone knows the outcome at these corners when dealing with Max.
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Repeating your nonsensical opinion won't make it any more correct unfortunately.
Absolutely no chance everyone else should be expected to judge that an overtake isn't on, just because it's Max and they should expect him to be allowed to break the rules.
To see it as 'an impossible' overtake that Norris shouldn't have even attempted is just laughably stupid.
We know the outcome now, hopefully with a bit of consistency - he'll try to run you wide, then incur a 10s penalty for doing so. Sooner or later, even Max will get bored of the penalties and stop doing it.
Soldato
"Officer, my house was robbed!"
"Yeah, we know the guy who did it. He's always doing it. We're just going to carry on letting him, since everyone knows he does it"
To simplify and possibly fix the current issue of running someone out wide and off the track, I can think of two things: (not sure about either. Just thinking out loud)
1: Switch (back?) to a rule which says that if two cars enter a corner and on initial turn ANY PART of EITHER car is alongside the other (no matter how far), then drivers have to leave a cars width minimum from themselves and the side of the track of which the other car is against. So this would include even if someone was overtaking on the outside and had their front wing just about up to the rear tyre of their competitor they were trying to overtake.
2: A shift to using tracks which where possible, self police incidents like this by way of their design in track run off areas. i.e. Instant physical/real performance loss for running wide like grass, gravel, low grip run off area strips.
2 is difficult because we have tracks that we historically like to use, which are also used for Motorcycle racing, which limits things like curbs and runoff. Then we have safety standards to meet. We also don't like to see people get beached causing more safety cars. But perhaps with the use of strips of gravel/grass and THEN tarmac, this might be possible.
EDIT: 1 is also hard for drivers to see/know/decide if someone was "alongside" and will say that they didn't see them.
1: Switch (back?) to a rule which says that if two cars enter a corner and on initial turn ANY PART of EITHER car is alongside the other (no matter how far), then drivers have to leave a cars width minimum from themselves and the side of the track of which the other car is against. So this would include even if someone was overtaking on the outside and had their front wing just about up to the rear tyre of their competitor they were trying to overtake.
2: A shift to using tracks which where possible, self police incidents like this by way of their design in track run off areas. i.e. Instant physical/real performance loss for running wide like grass, gravel, low grip run off area strips.
2 is difficult because we have tracks that we historically like to use, which are also used for Motorcycle racing, which limits things like curbs and runoff. Then we have safety standards to meet. We also don't like to see people get beached causing more safety cars. But perhaps with the use of strips of gravel/grass and THEN tarmac, this might be possible.
EDIT: 1 is also hard for drivers to see/know/decide if someone was "alongside" and will say that they didn't see them.
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That’s hilarious. Sauce?
I don't think this would work - imagine the first Max/Norris incident from
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Yeah I suppose it would need a harsh penalty for it to be effective enough. Even then, the competitor might be out entirely anyway if they got beached. Hmm. 10 second stop go penalty without being able to touch the car possibly. I guess they could still cruise back to the points. This is effectively what happened this weekend. Max got 20 seconds but still got back points.
No he doesn't, because he wouldn't be in the right position for the next corner,
If max took that racing line every time he made a lap of the. Circuit he wouldn't be one of the fastest around it.
Soldato
I said, when racing Max. Approaching that situation, he knows how Max is going to react. Its a given as Max does it again and again!!
Soldato
Looks like Max may have a new engine on the weekend. Thats a 5 place penalty.
Thing is he needs to pass at the earliest opportunity he can, the longer it's left the more the tyres get damaged while racing around in the dirty air.
Can't not overtake just because it's max and he acts like a man child.
I like racing but it needs to be fair on both sides, and unfortunately max doesn't race fair, but he's got away with it for so long with little to no repercussion it's going to be tough raining it in.
Don
Your argument is ridiculous. I simply cannot believe your position is anything other than attempting to troll the thread at this point.
Essentially you are saying thay no driver dare take on a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre on (or even race wheel to wheel with!) Max Verstappen as he will not follow the rules...
As such, any driver wishing to overtake Max must do something different to overtake him..
That's patently ridiculous, and you know it.
The result of these incident were perfect for Lando in this race, Max will have to fall into line and follow the rules and give racing room and ALSO (here's the novel bit) actually attempt to take the corner whilst defending against his main rivals, and we may just be able to get some decent racing out of him again, as he is undoubtedly capable of being one of the very best.
Johnny Herbet had the balls to stand up in the box in Mexico, I just hope Derek does the same in future after his performance in Austin!
Soldato
Obviously you are being ridiculous as you dont understand what i am saying!
I am not saying that a driver shouldnt try to overtake there. No. What i said is that knowing how Max drives at those corners, it would be foolish to try an overtake there with him as we all know what the outcome usually is.
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Don
So let me get this straight.
You say:
A - Drivers should not be foolish and try to overtake Max there.
But also...
B - They should also try to overtake him there.
Because if you cannot see how that argument is more nutty and circular than honey nut cheerios you must be ill.
Please do enlighten me
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Soldato
B - thats your words....how nutty is that!
Overtaking other drivers at such a corner is usually quite normal....overtaking Max at these corners the outcome can be very messy!
Please read post properly first old chap
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