**** Official Fallout 76 Thread ****

[Angilion]

[..] This time next week I will be up to Rank 70 ish on the Legendary run as I have enough Atoms stockpiled to buy 30-32 Ranks & hope I have enough stamina left to do the other 30 or so ranks as I am already up to requiring 2000 S.C.O.R.E XP per rank as it goes up by 25 XP per rank to make it even more of a grind!

Why would you spend atoms on the legendary grind? With atoms, you get to choose what you get. With the legendary grind, you don't.

Since the point requirements go up per level in the legendary grind and the atom cost per level doesn't, it's more efficient to buy the last levels than the middle ones. That way, you get better value for your atoms and you only use as many as you need to buy however many levels you need. The legendary grind runs for 10 weeks whatever you do. If you buy your way to the end early you don't get anything extra. Just more time to wait until the next one.

Since there will be double XP and double score points days, it's probably going to be possible to reach L100 before the end just from doing the normal mode dailies and weeklies and some repetitions of whatever the repeatable is each week. It's not actually a race. You don't get a prize for finishing faster. You don't need any stamina. You don't even need to care about it. So far, I have used 3 things from it:

Ghillie on the leather armour my alt is wearing. It was useless as they're wearing an outfit. I lost the responder medic jumpsuit to the massive lag in menus bug causing me to scrap it, but I looked through outfits I've bought from the atom shop and found one I liked.
Clean sink as my alt's camp is in a remote location nowhere near water. It was useless as it allows you to collect water extremely slowly. Slower than the hand pump.
Ammo convertor. It was useless because the user interface is so spectacularly bad that it's effectively unusable.

Yeah, great. I really want to devote my life and/or real money to more of that!



Off on a tangent, I found a new random encounter today. I heard what I thought was Grahm talking to Chally, but it wasn't. A supermutant was talking lucidly about something that was following them, saying that it was ugly but it wasn't attacking and they thought it was friendly. Turned out they were talking to another supermutant about a floater. Then they saw me, switched to the "MUST CRUSH!" persona and all 3 attacked me.

After that I simply walked off a cliff and died. I am so used to being in power armour that I'm not cautious enough on my alt, who doesn't use power armour.

 

[AWPC]

Your right to buy later ranks but I just do not have the stamina anymore to constantly grind it out! Took me about 4 hours in NW yesterday which I hate playing anyway because of all the cheaters. Bethesda put up 9 challenges yesterday for 2500 score. If they do that everyday it will not take anywhere near 100 days even if you missed some or they autocompleted. Already even @ level 40 its 1975 XP per rank so on Tuesday my 4050 Atoms will get me to around rank 70. Then with the remaining Atoms to be earned from the season I only need to grind out another 26-27 or so ranks which I am not sure I have the motivation to do so the double XP & double score is the only way I will get it done eventually

 

[Angilion]

Your right to buy later ranks but I just do not have the stamina anymore to constantly grind it out! Took me about 4 hours in NW yesterday which I hate playing anyway because of all the cheaters. Bethesda put up 9 challenges yesterday for 2500 score. If they do that everyday it will not take anywhere near 100 days even if you missed some or they autocompleted. Already even @ level 40 its 1975 XP per rank so on Tuesday my 4050 Atoms will get me to around rank 70. Then with the remaining Atoms to be earned from the season I only need to grind out another 26-27 or so ranks which I am not sure I have the motivation to do so the double XP & double score is the only way I will get it done eventually

So don't do it. You are inflicting something obviously unhealthy on yourself. You're suffering because of it and what do you gain? Some crap that's not real and is useless even in the game it's for. You're also intending to exchange atoms (which give you a choice of which not-real items to rent for as long as the servers are on) for score points (which give you no choice in what not-real items you rent). You spent 4 hours yesterday doing something you strongly dislike in order to get a small number of points for something that's not real and not even of any use in the game. What did you get for that 4 hours of unpleasant work? An ingame outfit you don't even want? Some ingame currency you can't spend as there's nothing you want to buy with it? A temporary increase in XP gained so that maybe next time you can spend 3 hours doing unpleasant work for more worthless things?

It's a game. Its sole purpose is to entertain you. If it doesn't entertain you (and it obviously doesn't), why are you doing it? That's bad for your health.

 

[AWPC]

So don't do it. You are inflicting something obviously unhealthy on yourself. You're suffering because of it and what do you gain? Some crap that's not real and is useless even in the game it's for. You're also intending to exchange atoms (which give you a choice of which not-real items to rent for as long as the servers are on) for score points (which give you no choice in what not-real items you rent). You spent 4 hours yesterday doing something you strongly dislike in order to get a small number of points for something that's not real and not even of any use in the game. What did you get for that 4 hours of unpleasant work? An ingame outfit you don't even want? Some ingame currency you can't spend as there's nothing you want to buy with it? A temporary increase in XP gained so that maybe next time you can spend 3 hours doing unpleasant work for more worthless things?

It's a game. Its sole purpose is to entertain you. If it doesn't entertain you (and it obviously doesn't), why are you doing it? That's bad for your health.

I agree with everything you said Yet still I have the compulsive Fallout fan must have everything syndrome

For a while now my interest in 76 has been declining steadily as there is never clearly going to be the level of new content arriving other than challenges or some other existing content rehash. 76 needs Wastelanders level content every single month to keep it going AFAIC but Bethesda are coming from the corporate mindset monetise the lot

So I am pretty much done with the game & will not spend anymore real money on it as I have every plan I ever need or want (got Bear Arms from the Arktos event & Ultracite Calibrated Shocks recently from a friends shop).

Duping is way out of control again players have 10,000s of Fluxes & everything else right now. If someone glitches the game going under the map then stacks 100s of Leader Bobbleheads they can earn all the required XP to gain all 100 legendary season1 levels with a single kill apparently I no longer blame them either when the grind is not fun & so time consuming either!

As a side note if you have PC Xbox Game Pass 76 ONLY works if its installed on the same drive as the OS

 

[DanF]

the amount of exploits in Bethsda games is so funny. Was watching some vids on FO4 and Skyrim as well. In FO4 you can make a pistol using pistol ammo with a MIRV mod to just nuke the entire game world Almost everything in Skyrim is broken, most schools of magic have some major exploit.
Makes the single player games have a lot of replay value to just muck around in but for a multi-player game it basically really sucks

 

[AWPC]

the amount of exploits in Bethsda games is so funny. Was watching some vids on FO4 and Skyrim as well. In FO4 you can make a pistol using pistol ammo with a MIRV mod to just nuke the entire game world Almost everything in Skyrim is broken, most schools of magic have some major exploit.
Makes the single player games have a lot of replay value to just muck around in but for a multi-player game it basically really sucks

PC Game Pass version of 76 has an option to use mods in the main menu!

No idea if it disables anything else ingame like challenges or allows you to do whatever you want but at least they fixed it so it works on any drive now not just the OS c drive!

 

[GinGo]

Can i ask how much this game has changed since all the issues it faced? Just a friend keeps trying to get me to play it with him but the fact it had a million and one issues i just gave it a pass. However, i do love me some post apocalyptic stuff!

 

[jasoncb]

Can i ask how much this game has changed since all the issues it faced? Just a friend keeps trying to get me to play it with him but the fact it had a million and one issues i just gave it a pass. However, i do love me some post apocalyptic stuff!

Never had any game breaking bugs, just minor inconveniences. I also play cod warzone and i experience more bugs in that recently than in fallout 76.

 

[DanF]

yeah if you treat it as a non-competitive multiplayer pve game then it's fine to play. A couple of quests can get in to a broken state if you do something really weird, like pick up random quest items from another player. If one of you get's fallout 1st then you can play as a group on a private server as well.

 

[Angilion]

the amount of exploits in Bethsda games is so funny. Was watching some vids on FO4 and Skyrim as well. In FO4 you can make a pistol using pistol ammo with a MIRV mod to just nuke the entire game world

The engine was specifically designed to be highly modifiable and in that respect it's an excellent design. The same can be done in FO76, by the way. You want a fatman with a minigun barrel so it fires mininukes at 200 per minute? Sure, no problem!

Almost everything in Skyrim is broken, most schools of magic have some major exploit.

The Spiffing Brit makes some videos on using imbalanced game mechanics to complete games in silly ways. I find them amusing. This one comes to mind, in which he completes Skyrim wielding only a wooden fork. Seriously, that was the only weapon he used. A fork.

EDIT: He didn't actually complete the game, but he did make himself immortal and welding a fork that one-hits everything in the game, so completing the game that way would be just a matter of time.

Makes the single player games have a lot of replay value to just muck around in but for a multi-player game it basically really sucks

Absolutely.

 

[Angilion]

Can i ask how much this game has changed since all the issues it faced? Just a friend keeps trying to get me to play it with him but the fact it had a million and one issues i just gave it a pass. However, i do love me some post apocalyptic stuff!

If you want a really good post apocalyptic game, I recommend Atom RPG. The sequel, Trudograd, is on early release but it's only about half finished. It's a very small dev team, so it'll take a while. But Atom RPG is completely finished and completely bug-free as far as I know. I liked it so much that I paid extra for the supporter DLC, which exists solely for the purpose of voluntarily sending more money to the devs. It's very clearly labelled that way, so there's no deception. You get a couple of cosmetic items. So it's actually better value than the far less honestly labelled crap from many game companies (including Bethesda).

As for FO76, it's changed a huge amount since it was released. If you take "a million and one issues" as it's state at release, the current version would, in my estimate, come in at about "a hundred thousand issues". They've also added human NPCs with dialogue (and more bugs, of course), two more quest lines with multiple quests, new locations, some big changes to existing locations and new bugs. And new bugs for the new bugs. And a million ways to grind, including the new legendary grind events which last 10 weeks each. And psychological manipulation to get people addicted and playing every day. And many more vastly over-priced trivial crap to spend real money on. And more bugs for all that too. And the sole endgame is grinding for enchanted items because (without even a pretence at an explanation) magic is extremely common in Fallout 76 and there's an infinity of enchanted items. You can even enchant your own magic items now!

But it is a lot more stable. It will crash. But far less often than it did. You will get disconnected from the server. But far less often than you used to. And the game is fun apart from the lack of a real endgame, despite its many flaws. And the gameworld is excellent. And it is Fallout. It's a bad entry in the Fallout franchise, but it is Fallout.

I'd recommend it, if you really like Fallout and if you can get it cheap and if you can avoid becoming addicted to the daily grinding. Of course, you can pay real money to buy a reduction in grinding. No surprises there.

 

[jasoncb]

The community in this game is by the far the best i have experienced. Its like a breath of fresh air not for everyone to be a toxic brat whos only goal is to ruin other peoples gameplay. They have fixed a lot of the griefing methods via PvP so the small few griefers have moved onto another game they can grief easier on.

One thing they need to work on is the end game content, they add these systems like the score system but neglect the fact that theres very few end game events and they get really repetitive. I know the colossus event is due soon but that is nowhere near enough. It needs many more events with the addition of dungeon/raids which may be the direction since the introduced public teams recently. Much is still needed.

 

[AWPC]

Big ban wave yesterday after all the recent duping & glitching to level 100 on Legendary Season 1. For now the buy ranks for atoms has been postponed (probably to allow Bethesda to reconfigure the challenges to be fairer to all).
https://bethesda.net/community/topic/419353/account-suspensions-and-bans-july-14-2020?language[]=en

They also announced yesterday for the next 9 days each daily will have 9 challenges per day available (excluding the weeklies which give about 8-9K score).
https://bethesda.net/community/topic/419343/rank-up-purchases-postponed-july-14-2020?language[]=en

The Atomic Shop Red Rocket Garage set is really nice when you apply power the rocket on the top ignites its engines & it looks really good overall. Definitely one of the better atomic shop items
https://bethesda.net/community/topic/419323/atomic-shop-updates-july-14-2020?language[]=en

 

[Angilion]

I bought something from the atomic shop today - the new raider collectron. Although mine is still the original default collectron but with different stuff to scavenge for. I quite like the dialogue of the default collectron and I wouldn't want a raider one.

It's probably very useful for low level characters because you can set it to scavenge weapons and ammunition. Since scrapping weapons (to learn mods) is an important part of play at low level and your carry weight is particularly limited at low level, having an ongoing source of free weapons in your camp (i.e. very close to workbenches) would be very handy. You might even get free weapons you will use. The ammunution is obviously useful unless you're playing melee from the start because ammunition is in short supply at the beginning. I've even used the ammunition converter with my alt, despite it having the worst user interface imaginable. It's an onerous chore, but at low levels every bullet of a calibre you can use is important.

 

[GinGo]

If you want a really good post apocalyptic game, I recommend Atom RPG. The sequel, Trudograd, is on early release but it's only about half finished. It's a very small dev team, so it'll take a while. But Atom RPG is completely finished and completely bug-free as far as I know. I liked it so much that I paid extra for the supporter DLC, which exists solely for the purpose of voluntarily sending more money to the devs. It's very clearly labelled that way, so there's no deception. You get a couple of cosmetic items. So it's actually better value than the far less honestly labelled crap from many game companies (including Bethesda).

As for FO76, it's changed a huge amount since it was released. If you take "a million and one issues" as it's state at release, the current version would, in my estimate, come in at about "a hundred thousand issues". They've also added human NPCs with dialogue (and more bugs, of course), two more quest lines with multiple quests, new locations, some big changes to existing locations and new bugs. And new bugs for the new bugs. And a million ways to grind, including the new legendary grind events which last 10 weeks each. And psychological manipulation to get people addicted and playing every day. And many more vastly over-priced trivial crap to spend real money on. And more bugs for all that too. And the sole endgame is grinding for enchanted items because (without even a pretence at an explanation) magic is extremely common in Fallout 76 and there's an infinity of enchanted items. You can even enchant your own magic items now!

But it is a lot more stable. It will crash. But far less often than it did. You will get disconnected from the server. But far less often than you used to. And the game is fun apart from the lack of a real endgame, despite its many flaws. And the gameworld is excellent. And it is Fallout. It's a bad entry in the Fallout franchise, but it is Fallout.

I'd recommend it, if you really like Fallout and if you can get it cheap and if you can avoid becoming addicted to the daily grinding. Of course, you can pay real money to buy a reduction in grinding. No surprises there.

Love this sort of detail, this actually helps a lot. I was expecting a lot to go wrong in terms of it still crashing and such, I'm just glad to hear that a lot has been fixed, even if adding more(NPC's) has added some more issues, at least it's a sign that they didn't just leave it.

I will be getting Atom RPG as it looks amazing! I haven't seen a Fallout 1/2 looking game that looked amazing in many years. However, if you know of any others you've played do let me know!

 

[GinGo]

The community in this game is by the far the best i have experienced. Its like a breath of fresh air not for everyone to be a toxic brat whos only goal is to ruin other peoples gameplay. They have fixed a lot of the griefing methods via PvP so the small few griefers have moved onto another game they can grief easier on.

This i'm glad of, i can't express how much it annoys me when you just get people playing games to grief, it's boring and just plain silly. It's refreshing for the community to be nice too, can't think of a game off the top of my head that i can honestly say this about.

 

[jasoncb]

This i'm glad of, i can't express how much it annoys me when you just get people playing games to grief, it's boring and just plain silly. It's refreshing for the community to be nice too, can't think of a game off the top of my head that i can honestly say this about.

I have stopped playing a lot of PvP games because of it. Most of the time they just want the big advantage (outnumber or outgun) to get easy kills, as you say its boring and very tedious. Not to mention random teammates trying to grief their own team.

 

[GinGo]

I have stopped playing a lot of PvP games because of it. Most of the time they just want the big advantage (outnumber or outgun) to get easy kills, as you say its boring and very tedious. Not to mention random teammates trying to grief their own team.

Yeah, if the game allows it, i also turn on any sort of chat(Rocket league comes to mind) purely because i can't be bothered seeing people get toxic, They've also turned off quickchat just so you can't spam "what a save" and such.

 

[Angilion]

Yeah, if the game allows it, i also turn on any sort of chat(Rocket league comes to mind) purely because i can't be bothered seeing people get toxic, They've also turned off quickchat just so you can't spam "what a save" and such.

That's another point in FO76's favour. Hardly anyone plays with chat on. The option to turn it off completely is right there in the settings. It might even default to off.

It perhaps helped that in the beginning FO76's chat was spectacularly defective so even people who wanted to use it didn't. This sounds unbelievable, but I swear it's true - for months after release, FO76 voice chat didn't have push to talk. It was always on or always off, that was your only choice. So everyone+dog turned it off and used 3rd party software for chat if they wanted it to play in a group of some kind. It still doesn't officially have text chat, although a modder added it.

The usual interaction between players in FO76 consists of the wave emote, the thumbs up emote and/or the heart emote. Which says a lot about how pleasant it is. Wave to greet another player, thumbs up to express approval of co-operation in an event, heart to express stronger approval for something. There was a thread on the Bethesda forums asking for a more polite "no" emote. Seriously. The majority of the players are that nice. It's also commonplace to do things such as depositing useful stuff for new players in the stash box at the Overseer's camp (which new players are directed to) or even going as far as setting up a camp nearby specifically to help newbies. My main character's camp is there, with water purifiers, crops, a robot that scavenges for scrap and puts it in an open box, all the workbenches in the game and a big sign saying "Free workshop, water, crops and scav". I also sell loads of plans for crafting stuff at very low prices, mainly as another service to new players.

 

[GinGo]

That's another point in FO76's favour. Hardly anyone plays with chat on. The option to turn it off completely is right there in the settings. It might even default to off.

It perhaps helped that in the beginning FO76's chat was spectacularly defective so even people who wanted to use it didn't. This sounds unbelievable, but I swear it's true - for months after release, FO76 voice chat didn't have push to talk. It was always on or always off, that was your only choice. So everyone+dog turned it off and used 3rd party software for chat if they wanted it to play in a group of some kind. It still doesn't officially have text chat, although a modder added it.

The usual interaction between players in FO76 consists of the wave emote, the thumbs up emote and/or the heart emote. Which says a lot about how pleasant it is. Wave to greet another player, thumbs up to express approval of co-operation in an event, heart to express stronger approval for something. There was a thread on the Bethesda forums asking for a more polite "no" emote. Seriously. The majority of the players are that nice. It's also commonplace to do things such as depositing useful stuff for new players in the stash box at the Overseer's camp (which new players are directed to) or even going as far as setting up a camp nearby specifically to help newbies. My main character's camp is there, with water purifiers, crops, a robot that scavenges for scrap and puts it in an open box, all the workbenches in the game and a big sign saying "Free workshop, water, crops and scav". I also sell loads of plans for crafting stuff at very low prices, mainly as another service to new players.

Well i must say, the game is certainly seeming more and more appealing the more you talk about it, I like the idea that people are helping each other, kinda how you would in those events.