** Official ** January 2010 Transfer Thread- Rumours & Speculation in here

[FrankJH]

ridiculous situation indeed, the club are managing to pay the debt they owe every year - but the much smaller debt that the Glazers owe personally is being struggled with to be paid back

Why cant a rich arab come in and offer £1b even , most institutions value it as much, instead of going for the cheap knockoffs down the road

 

[CliffyBiro]

I think everyone's thinking of this goal from a couple of years back, Rooney is like lightning:

Yeah, I think that's the one, but quality is quite bad.

 

[dannyjo22]

ridiculous situation indeed, the club are managing to pay the debt they owe every year - but the much smaller debt that the Glazers owe personally is being struggled with to be paid back

Why cant a rich arab come in and offer £1b even , most institutions value it as much, instead of going for the cheap knockoffs down the road

Because it would cost so much to buy it outright and pay off the debt. As crazy as it sounds City starting from scratch almost and buying the debt was so little they could start plowing money into the team.

Where as to buy united without even starting to invest in the team would cost mind blowing amounts of money.

I'm trying to remember the last valuation but it was staggering. Wasn't it when Sky or someone was interested?

Hopefully in years to come Platinis ideas would stop clubs being taken over and being run like this.

 

[Gilly]

Seems manyoo will be earning some decent cash soon:

The day had begun badly for the hosts when Nemanja Vidic, in the words of United's assistant manager, Mike Phelan, "felt something was not quite right with his body" in the warm-up and told Ferguson he could not play. There was little sympathy, however, and Ferguson's only words on the subject, with Vidic reputedly unsettled in Manchester, were a curt: "I couldn't tell you what is wrong with Nemanja."

 

[Wossi]

It looks like we've slashed £60k off our wage bill with reports of Geremi signing on a free for a Turkish side. Hopefully that'll be the last player we get rid off now, although I'm not holding my breath

 

[drunkenmaster]

It looks like we've slashed £60k off our wage bill with reports of Geremi signing on a free for a Turkish side. Hopefully that'll be the last player we get rid off now, although I'm not holding my breath

I can't understand people liking Aladyce or hating Megson. It would seem that Aladyce is only capable of buying old, cheap but high wage players looking to play out their last few semi ok years. But ended up saddling clubs like Bolton with huge wage bills and a load of unsellable retiring players. I was seeing a thing that said Megson had 34 or 36 players leave while he was there, most retiring or for free to go back to their home countries to play for crappy local clubs.

Normally you have a range of players and half of those 34 players would be sold for some money and lots would have started off on lower wages at a younger age. Instead they paid little, had a huge wage bill(for the club) and they couldn't afford dozens of high priced players on large wages so had to go for a few more expensive players they could afford to actually pay. In those circumstances he didn't do to badly.

Alladyce screwed Newcastle aswell by lumping them in massive debt that increased on a weekly basis, bunch of completely useless players on high wages that just drained the club completely.

THen the genius thing he's done at Blackburn, refuse to play McCarthy, barely score goals, finally give in and play him and roberts just to see them start winning games, then drop him again then accuse players in the press of not giving enough and named McCarthy as one of them, who promptly said screw that I'm off.

Most ridiculous rumour of the lot is Heskey to Chelsea, either Ancelloti is a moron or the press are still convinced that because Heskey is english he must be good.

 

[drunkenmaster]

annoys me when the papers include wages into a transfer fee just to make it seem even more stupendous.

I think its partially so they can mock City/Real for spending way more than any club ever before, even though their spending is high, its not unprescedented and partially a good thing.

Fans need to start to realise the cost of a player over his entire time at the club so they realise where the money is going and whats going on. However when the press only really do it for the huge transfers to make it seem bigger it becomes a joke.

Surely Ronaldo's wages + transfer would be quite a bit bigger than 140million anyway?

 

[antijoke]

Most ridiculous rumour of the lot is Heskey to Chelsea, either Ancelloti is a moron or the press are still convinced that because Heskey is english he must be good.

I had a right chuckle at the paper talk that Rafa wants Heskey over RVN.......Heskey has done sweet FA at Villa, so why Rafa would then go ahead and want him is beyond me.

 

[FrankJH]

Because it would cost so much to buy it outright and pay off the debt. As crazy as it sounds City starting from scratch almost and buying the debt was so little they could start plowing money into the team.

Where as to buy united without even starting to invest in the team would cost mind blowing amounts of money.

I'm trying to remember the last valuation but it was staggering. Wasn't it when Sky or someone was interested?

Hopefully in years to come Platinis ideas would stop clubs being taken over and being run like this.

The difference is that with all of our media contracts and so forth, the club generate £100m or near enough every year (which currently goes to pay off club debt). If we were bought out by a rich arab , this money could go on the team instead so no additional funds would be required (and there is no way we need £100m of new players)

The arab in turn would get a much higher profile for being the owner of Utd (which is actually worth something, unlike being the owner of City for example who historically are worth squat)

Last valuation a couple of years ago put the club's worth at just over £1bn of which depending on report you read £600- £700m is debt

 

[CliffyBiro]

Portsmouth have received Premier League permission to extend the loan spell of Spurs midfielder Jamie O'Hara if the clubs reach an agreement.
The 23-year-old joined Pompey in August on a six-month deal, with an option to extend for the rest of the season.
But with Pompey subject to a transfer embargo, it had been unclear whether O'Hara would remain at Fratton Park.

 

[jakeke]

O'Hara has been quite handy at Portsmouth, he shouldn't go back to Spurs imo, he'd be better off getting a game every week at a team that isn't as good

 

[CliffyBiro]

O'Hara has been quite handy at Portsmouth, he shouldn't go back to Spurs imo, he'd be better off getting a game every week at a team that isn't as good

If there still is a team.


He has a future at Spurs IMO. Although with Modric and Kranjcar, he'd likely only factor in CM.

 

[BaZ87]

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You've got your figures slightly wrong there Frank. Utd's last set of accounts said you made just over £70m profit but more or less all of that is wiped out by interest and chargers (not paying anything off the debt) on the loans secured against the club. Like you said in your other post, there's then a further PIK which is personally secured by the Glazers with it's interest rolling up year on year.

Regarding your point about some 'Rich Arab', you're being slightly optimistic if you think any possible buyer for Utd would put up £1bn of their own cash to buy the club. Like dannyjo kind of said, City's Arab's chose City specifically because they didn't have to spend £100m's paying off debts etc.

 

[dannyjo22]

Also city were cheap. Cheap and no huge debt. Buying manu would be seriously expensive in the first place without the debt they have these days.

If I was a billionaire Arab looking to waste money on a club I'd buy a team with a decent ground heavily in debt struggling, for a quid. Pay the debt off and then invest in the team.

I wouldn't spend 800 million just to get my hands on united and pay off the debt before I'd even invested in the team. Thats why the city deal made so much sense rather than go after a Liverpool or Manu.

 

[Andybtsn]

If there still is a team.


He has a future at Spurs IMO. Although with Modric and Kranjcar, he'd likely only factor in CM.

Did you sell Boateng? He's impressed me at Portsmouth, more so than O'Hara

 

[HangTime]

Surely Ronaldo's wages + transfer would be quite a bit bigger than 140million anyway?

£80m transfer fee then £200k/week for 6 years i.e. just over £60m in wages.

 

[bloodline76]

I dont think Ronney would go for £80m. Ronaldo i think offers more to the team than Rooney does. Although I havent seen him play since he moved to Madrid so I could be wrong.

But I certainly wouldnt pay £80m for Rooney. Whats that, 5m a dive?

 

[Visionary]

£80m transfer fee then £200k/week for 6 years i.e. just over £60m in wages.

I remember reading that Ronaldo's salary increases year on year so by the last year of his contract he's on something like 500k a week.

Edit- Found the link- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ee-80-million-fee-with-Manchester-United.html

Real expect to wrap up the deal within the next seven days after formalising a package in which Ronaldo will earn £9.5 million in his first year – £183,000 a week – followed by a 25 per cent pay rise in each of the following five years of his contract. This would amount to £556,000 a week in the final year of his contract.

 

[CliffyBiro]

Did you sell Boateng? He's impressed me at Portsmouth, more so than O'Hara

Yup we did.

 

[BaZ87]

Few reports in Italy saying that Dossena's close to joining Napoli for ~£4.5m. I'd imagine that includes his wages too, or Napoli haven't seen him play.

Hope he actually goes this time, he was close to joining Napoli in the summer only for his wage demands to block the deal.