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His agent did ;)

I don't begrudge players moving on, especially to a bigger level but ffs give the fans an explanation rather than just wanting more money.

It's the same at any club, how can you possibly wish a player all the best when it comes down to money.

well if you could get an extra £20,000 a week plus a big signing on fee for switching to another "company", would you not do it?

many clubs have lost great players simply to not being able to offer them wages that other clubs were willing to offer, don't blame the player, blame your club. ronaldo left united for money, by the fifth year of his contract he will be on over £500,000 a week, if he wanted to move just to play for real madrid then i dont think he would be on this kind of money.
 
Don't you mean, the press think you're bidding on everyone and Benitez wants to sign everyone, but anyone with half an ounce of sense knows you weren't seriously in for anyone big. As for the money staying within the club, the club has debt, the debt gets paid. I don't understand where people think debt just doesn't need to be paid, ever. Considering how much you've been pointing out UTd's debt on the forums, it seems odd you tend to think yours shouldn't remotely effect your buying of players.

Unfortunately you don't have half an ounce of sense or the ability to read.

For a start our interest in Silva was confirmed by Benitez before the transfer window even opened and it was widely reported and more or less confirmed that we had an offer accepted for Tevez (Tevez claimed he couldn't join us out of loyalty to Utd).

Regarding the debt, had you read my reply to HangTime you would see that I said that afaik the club do not HAVE to sell anybody to pay off any debt. If this is the case then why would anybody sell a player and not replace them? As I said, the issue at Liverpool is that nobody has a clue what's going on behind the scenes and how much or where money is going.

edit: Also, as I said to HangTime, there's nothing I want more than the Yank leeches to **** off and their inability to pay-off debt would speed that process up; which would explain why I wouldn't want a player to be sold to pay-off debt even if that is where the money is going.
 
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ronaldo left united for money, by the fifth year of his contract he will be on over £500,000 a week, if he wanted to move just to play for real madrid then i dont think he would be on this kind of money.

No he didn't :confused: He moved because it was his dream club, the money they offered him is irrelevant.
 
No he didn't :confused: He moved because it was his dream club, the money they offered him is irrelevant.

surely if you knew a player wanted to play for you so badly because you were his dream club, why would you offer him 5 times the wages he is currently on? all they had to do was increase his wages by say £20,000 a week, he left for the money, he was happy at united and wanted to stay there so long fergie was manager, the money is what made him move.
 
surely if you knew a player wanted to play for you so badly because you were his dream club, why would you offer him 5 times the wages he is currently on? all they had to do was increase his wages by say £20,000 a week, he left for the money, he was happy at united and wanted to stay there so long fergie was manager, the money is what made him move.

there's a difference between moving for the money and knowing what you're worth. Madrid were splashing around crazy money, why not take some of it? He's always stated he wanted to move to Madrid one day.
 
There are a few reports that we're about to offer Chamakh a pre-contract agreement for him to sign on a free in the summer.

The only time I can recall seeing anything of him was a youtube vid 1 of the gooners posted on here a while back and tbh he looked **** so not sure what to think.
 
Regarding the debt, had you read my reply to HangTime you would see that I said that afaik the club do not HAVE to sell anybody to pay off any debt. If this is the case then why would anybody sell a player and not replace them?

Your reply doesn't really address my point though :)
Regardless of whether you HAVE to sell a player to pay off debts or not, makes no difference whatsoever as to whether the debt exists. It still does. I really don't get this attitude of brushing debt under the carpet, the idea that unless you have the baliffs knocking on your door right this minute that it doesn't exist. That any money repaying that debt is 'wasted'. You said it would "vanish", but that's not the case at all, if it's reducing the level of debt.

Look at Arsenal, they had a huge transfer surplus in the summer, but that money didn't 'vanish'. Some of it probably went towards paying for the stadium, or paying players wages, or any of the other outgoings football clubs have.

Think about it, if you sell a player for £10m and then don't buy £10m of players, that doesn't mean that the £10m has suddenly disappeared. It'll be reflected on the balance sheet somewhere, whether that be in terms of cash, or a reduction in liabilities.

I think some people think that selling players without replacing them should only be done when a club is in some kind of dire financial crisis and NEEDS the money asap simply to appease creditors and keep the wolves from the door. But by then it is usually too late.
 
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Providing the club are able to service the current debt comfortably (which is what Christian Purslow has said) then there is no need to sell players to pay even more off, especially at the expensive of on the field success. Or should the club sell Gerrard, Torres, Masch and Reina and pay even more of the debt off?

Your comparison to Arsenal's debt isn't exactly a fair 1 either. Arsenal are in debt because they built a stadium, we are in debt because 2 ****s put us in debt. There are 2 reasons why I used the term 'vanish'; firstly because money is going out of the club purely for the benefit of our owners and not the club (unlike Arsenal) and mainly it was a sarcastic remark regarding George Gillett's previous claim that the club still has the Alonso transfer fee available for transfers and it didn't go towards paying down the debt which we all know is BS.

And again, paying off the debt will only keep the leeches at the club longer. There's little to no risk of the club going bust because of these debts because the leeches have personally secured a % of the money. As soon as the time comes where they're no longer able to hang on, they'll sell up.
 
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There are a few reports that we're about to offer Chamakh a pre-contract agreement for him to sign on a free in the summer.

The only time I can recall seeing anything of him was a youtube vid 1 of the gooners posted on here a while back and tbh he looked **** so not sure what to think.

He looks a good player, much better than any of Liverpool's options (barring Torres obv.)

There must be a reason that two top European teams are after him and he's coming from the French champions, not all those managers can get it wrong!
 
Sounds like the Maxi deal isnt quite as close as people think. Rafa just saying that initial talks have taken place and it's now up to Atletico and Maxi to decide what they want to do.

Absolutely no talk of Chamakh either?
 
I guess it's just a case of Atletico and Maxi reaching some kind of agreement regarding a pay-off as he hadn't handed in a transfer request etc. The fact that Benitez has said it's more or less all agreed would make you think that it's just a matter of time.
Yup he's gone :)
Not quite. Liverpool are still waiting for the paperwork to finally be completed. It's the same with Voronin too.

Also despite it being reported that we've told Birmingham that Babel's not for sale, Benitez's most recent comments make it sound more of a case that we want more money for him.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/duo-set-to-leave
 
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Sky reported the Dossena deal as done, the Voro deal as all done but the final bit of paper work.

Not heard anything other then what Baz et al have said about Maxi.

Rafa's just trying to milk Babel imo, like he did with Alonso, get as much as you can for your players.
 
Unfortunately you don't have half an ounce of sense or the ability to read.

For a start our interest in Silva was confirmed by Benitez before the transfer window even opened and it was widely reported and more or less confirmed that we had an offer accepted for Tevez (Tevez claimed he couldn't join us out of loyalty to Utd).

Regarding the debt, had you read my reply to HangTime you would see that I said that afaik the club do not HAVE to sell anybody to pay off any debt. If this is the case then why would anybody sell a player and not replace them? As I said, the issue at Liverpool is that nobody has a clue what's going on behind the scenes and how much or where money is going.

edit: Also, as I said to HangTime, there's nothing I want more than the Yank leeches to **** off and their inability to pay-off debt would speed that process up; which would explain why I wouldn't want a player to be sold to pay-off debt even if that is where the money is going.

You really do talk crap, you said specifically that you started the summer BIDDING for TEVEZ AND SILVA, which I commented on. You had a go at me for not being able to read. Hm, then you say Benitez specifically said his interest was confirmed. Can you read the difference in the words BID and INTEREST FOR because I can. Benitez was interested in about 7000 different expensive players, as almost every manager in the world was, thats a far cry from bidding for players and almost buying them. AS for having an offer accepted for Tevez, which you now say was widely maybe reported and almost confirmed, but clearly not. You weren't in for Tevez, you may have put in a low bid, but I doubt even that.

Maybe someone spoke with Tevez's guys as said, do you want to come, thats probably as far as it went. The rumours are that Tevez was actually closer to 35million with insane wages, Liverpool would never in a million years even bid 35million for Tevez, let alone offer him wages above Gerrard and Torres.

The fact that you think otherwise suggests its you without an ounce of sense, nor the ability to read.

I really have no clue what the rest of your post is on about. You're in exactly the same situation as Utd, they've sold people and obviously put some of that money towards reducing the debt to reduce the interest, why wouldn't you do the same, just because you don't have to, doesn't mean its not the smart move. Considering Benitez's buying record why should your owners, at the cost of making a dent in the debt, risk money on expensive players who are very overpriced in the case of Silva and Tevez.

You seemed to ignore the fact Benitez MASSIVELY overpaid for an over rated English defender, I questioned the idea that Chelsea bumped the price in a bidding war, they have 2 better defenders and a backup, both of which can and have scored and are massively better defensively. Other than press talk I've seen no proof Chelsea were in for him, nor anyone else, so he doesn't have that excuse.

You've been talking about Utd fans not getting that when they sell they need to put some of that money towards the debt while UTd guys say, meh, we don't have to pay off that debt. Then you talk about not having to pay the debt so why can't you sell a player and buy another? Then you question me when I call you on it.

THe fact is your debt might be stable and you might not have to sell people to cover costs throught he year, that doesn't mean your debt is safe, small or that when your club does make some money it won't go on the debt. Theres hundreds of millions of debt, why for Utd does that mean their proceeds from sale should go on debt, when you do it, you should simply be able to reinvest. Its complete nonsense to see the two situations as different, but you do.
 
I really have no clue

The only bit of sense you've ever wrote on these forums.

I guess if it wasn't for the 'view post' button it wouldn't be worth posting anymore seeing as 99% of people on here have you on ignore.

I'm not going to go through the rest of the **** you wrote because not only would it take forever to correct everything you've said (as usual) but because it has nothing to do with the point I was making but I will just say the part about money and who we bid for has nothing to do with wanting more money but not knowing how much there is in the first place.
 
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