** Official ** January 2010 Transfer Thread- Rumours & Speculation in here
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Not really, they'll both be on pretty high wages when the team is desparate to fill other positions. Noubelle is turning into a freaking powerhouse, Hines is a very smart little player improving constantly, Diamante when he's on, is something special, Coles just come back from injury. Thats 4 strikers up and coming of which two are first team already, two are fighting for first team. Two new strikers on huge wages of whom at best one will start games alongside Cole, is utterly stupid with the club due to make essentially no money for two years. They need to survive two years with little income due to the previous board having borrowed against season tickets and tv for a couple years in advance. Their entire goal should be reducing wage bill or keeping it steady and spunking what is likely to be another 4-5 mil a year down the drain on two aging strikers who might not even be first team is ridiculous.
The desparately need someone to replace Kovac who is a truly awful player, Faubert isn't actually half bad but they really need some cover and they desparately need another CB after losing Ferdy/Collins and being left with next to no cover Da Costa has yet to prove himself.
Noble unfortunately has become very poor this year, Kovac offering nothing and Behrami no where near as good as he was pre injury(so far) the squad really needs defensive cover at the back and someone in the lampard/Cesc role for central midfield.
West Ham, I reckon, have by far the most quality of anyone in the bottom 8, some truly great players and a lot of younger players coming through(Collinson, Spectre, noble, Noubelle, Cole, Stanislas, Hines) and a few others who've not made appearances beyond the cup game recently. They've got a huge amount of quality now, a lot of potential in youth(more than most teams in the league) and have only really been struggling of late due to injurys.
They need to ride out two years with some cheap cover, and not waste cash on a couple striker who will only prevent their youth players improving at a huge cost.
The desparately need someone to replace Kovac who is a truly awful player, Faubert isn't actually half bad but they really need some cover and they desparately need another CB after losing Ferdy/Collins and being left with next to no cover Da Costa has yet to prove himself.
Noble unfortunately has become very poor this year, Kovac offering nothing and Behrami no where near as good as he was pre injury(so far) the squad really needs defensive cover at the back and someone in the lampard/Cesc role for central midfield.
West Ham, I reckon, have by far the most quality of anyone in the bottom 8, some truly great players and a lot of younger players coming through(Collinson, Spectre, noble, Noubelle, Cole, Stanislas, Hines) and a few others who've not made appearances beyond the cup game recently. They've got a huge amount of quality now, a lot of potential in youth(more than most teams in the league) and have only really been struggling of late due to injurys.
They need to ride out two years with some cheap cover, and not waste cash on a couple striker who will only prevent their youth players improving at a huge cost.
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Its a joke basically, Theo Walcott isn't a tenth of the player Wilshire is TODAY, he's simply incapable and on huge wages. Frankly we should be looking to offload a player who has pace, doesn't use it and has nothing else. Wilshire could have made 20 appearances already this year in place of other completely useless appearances by Theo, Denilson, anyone else, heck Wilshire would win more tackles than Denilson, is stronger and doesn't waste the ball.
I'm getting really irritated that we'll get a player with great potential like Wilshire, and instead of giving him first team experience alongside the likes of Fabregas where he'll learn and improve, we stick them on the bench, see them lose all match fitness by not even playing in the reserves, give them one cup game when they have no match fitness, then ship them out on loan to crap clubs.
The fact is you learn to play differently playing in a team with FAbregas and Arshavin, and training with them inbetween, than getting "first team experience" with a team that plays differently with far worse players. How many players have we sent out on loan to lower league clubs who have come back and ended up first team players...... Bendtner. Loaning out promising prospects has for the large part in the past decade, led to those players leaving the club in a few years and never really playing again.
The problem is Bendtner was hoofed the long ball a lot, he suited the team to a degree and played well, defenders can go anywhere, the worse the team they more they learn defensively. But a player like Wilshire, a passing/run making creative playmaker type will learn nothing in a team that doesn't play in that style and with players good enough to play the style well. Loaning Fabregas out to, the old Bolton would have slowed down his progression and probably made him a worse player as it wasn't a team he could play his throughballs in or pass the ball around, he'd just be learning to battle it out against far better teams. Hence almost every single last one of our "attacking" youths with potential going out on loan, coming back different players and eventually leaving the club.
Considering the length of time Walcott's been with us, and his utter lack of improvement, heck, he's regressed into a crappy winger when he was an all out striker when he joined, is pathetic. The fact we're willing to risk Wilshires developement in a worse team, at the expense of a player whose shown zero sign of improving or being, well, an actual footballer is just ridiculous.
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Would that be the reserve team that has only played one game this year, and doesn't play it's next game till Feb 10th. Or another reserve team that plays regular football. The reserves have only played 10 games this season.
Ashely Cole? Alex Song? Loans certainly did their career's the World og good. Cole's loan move improved his game ten fold, and saved his Arsenal career. Currently 7 members of the first team squad have been out on loan at one point in their career.
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Heard on the radio this morning Bentley in loan deal with West Ham which contradicts this statement:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8482207.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8482207.stm
"Up to David "(shrug) -'Arry
(also wouldnt be the first time that kind of thing was said to the media just before the player was sold/loaned out)
How much longer can we wait for OH though, if its another season gone without him playing (which unfortunately it looks like) I cant see Utd competing that much further in the CL - and we will be lucky to hold our current position in the EPL (after games in hand are played) of 2nd/3rd imo
Hargreaves is/was so versatile that it wouldnt complicate matters if we bought that type of player anyway
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Well Scholes is sure as hell not an attacking midfielder anymore, his role is (and has been for the past 3/4 seasons) sitting in front of the back four getting the ball and passing it forward ergo a holding midfielder!
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But he isn't that good at holding onto the ball, the number of times he has lost the ball this season after being closed down quickly is ridiculous.
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+1
and 1/2 the job of a decent holding midfielder is to be good in tackling ........never one of Scholes' strong points
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out of the three you mention:
one can win the ball... but not hold it.
one can consistently foul the opposition without ever winning the ball
one can do neither of the above.
none of them offer any real attacking dynamism, all 3 like to stand next to each other, just in front of the defence, but none of them really want to take the ball from the defence to make a play:/
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I think it will be great for him if he gets the games. It will be nice to see him play a few in a row.
I think people are being a little unfair with Walcott though, he hasnt had the most injury free time since he moved to us. He had a good spell before his shoulder injury but he definately needs to go back to basics and use his strengths.
Yeah I've heard the rumour, doubt it's true though despite it coming from Kiev's Chairman, I remember a situation like this before (I think it was one of the Turkish clubs) saying such and such a player had signed for them and it turned out to be complete rubbish
It would make no sense at all for Liverpool to sell him and if he was available I'd wager they'd be no end of Premiership teams that would want him as well
What team in the top 8 would have a realistic space available and have a chance of getting him?
Cant be that many I would have thought
Man Utd wouldnt have a squad place - and wouldnt get him anyway
Chelsea unlikely to want/need him
Arsenal - maybe but cant see AW actually going for it
Man City - wouldnt have thought so,
Aston Villa - Possibly but I would doubt it
Spurs - wheeler dealer 'Arry - possibly
Apart from Arsenal I cant see any team being a definite step up (ie consistant CL) and just seems like the wrong kind of player that AW would go for in the first place- otherwise he is gambling a bit
abroad would be a better bet imo for him
maybe completely wrong of course (sounds like its all hyperthetical anyway)
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Agreed,
I would love an attacking midfielder to come in, someone in the style of Fab/Gerrard.
Scholes has moments of brilliance but he is getting on now, Carrick... Great passer but that's about it imo and Fletcher.. I really don't know... sometimes amazing other time I am left thinking what the **** are you doing?!
