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*** Official Opteron 170 Ocing Thread ***
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Clint said:
I didn't know off any of the smd's. one looks as if it has been "touched up" by the knife blade but other than that its not missing any! I took my time (about 25 - 30 mins) and was a bit angry when it didn't work. But i'm going to try and get it going tonight.
Oh well, *grumbles* just my luck *end of grumble*
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easyrider said:
That was my understanding too.
Clint said:"stable"...well...you need to put in a few more parameters in there I'm afraid.
stable below 60...that says nothing really regarding performance versus noice and powerdraw.
So instead of rolling eyes at me tell me what those parameters are?
If the cpu is below 60 and it primes for 24 hrs and its stable whats the problem?
These optys are server chips and you state they need to be under 50c and even under 45c at load
!LMAO
I went to chemist down the road and he had some wilkinson sword double edged razors and one of them worked fine. Put few layers of duck tape down one side but then when i was half way through i noticed blood on cpu and then looked and saw my finger sliced open - extra piece of duck tape later, new finger and 2mins later and i sliced open another finger. Went through 3 fingers without even realising until the blood was on the cpu. Worth every drop though getting ihs off without doing damage
easyrider said:
i'll repost a post i posted earlier (that make sense?!)
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6550688&postcount=282
download that program and it should tell you the max temp your core can hit before it will start getting errors. it may not be true for everyone but it is certainly true of my CPU.
teggs said:
The only way to test if you will get errors is to run dual prime.
If dual prime is stable and error free I don't see the problem.
The max temp AMD give is 65c
10c below this is fine.If I was getting errors at 50c the cpu would be RMA'd
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what temps are u hitting with that chip as your now putting much voltage through iteasyrider said:
Damn Agent, sounds bad. I doubt that the chip caused a windows corruption though m8. If your PC boots and reports correctly I reckon the CPU is fine. I've seen a couple of CPU's that had one or two smd's missing and even the whole of one side missing but still work. Check the voltage and temps in the bios if something looks out of place then you will know why. One of the main causes of CPU failure (it was in my case anyway) was scraping the PCB or chipping the core. I cut into my PCB and it wouldn't even post i.e dead CPU.
If yours posts and shows no errors in bios then try a re-install. GL
Each CPU is different. Some are coldbugged, some warmbugged, others will cause errors above 45 (47c in my case) while others will be fine. Some chips scale well with volts and others don't...its the luck of the draw so coming up with a solution for one and all is impossible but as a rule of thumb I would say keep temps under 50c.
One thing you have to remember is that a lot of us will pump more volts through a chip when we get errors, attempting to stabilise the on-board memory controller when all that is needed is better cooling. I have removed the IHS (better cooling) and can now hit clockspeeds with much lower vcore that were not stable before IHS removal with high vcore. Temps before were around 56c load @ 1.55, now they are around 35 with 1.36vcore. ergo temps are a defining factor (obviously not the only factor) when seeking stability.
If yours posts and shows no errors in bios then try a re-install. GL
Each CPU is different. Some are coldbugged, some warmbugged, others will cause errors above 45 (47c in my case) while others will be fine. Some chips scale well with volts and others don't...its the luck of the draw so coming up with a solution for one and all is impossible but as a rule of thumb I would say keep temps under 50c.
One thing you have to remember is that a lot of us will pump more volts through a chip when we get errors, attempting to stabilise the on-board memory controller when all that is needed is better cooling. I have removed the IHS (better cooling) and can now hit clockspeeds with much lower vcore that were not stable before IHS removal with high vcore. Temps before were around 56c load @ 1.55, now they are around 35 with 1.36vcore. ergo temps are a defining factor (obviously not the only factor) when seeking stability.
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Hay Webbo,
Thanks for your reply mate. The system is posting fine, I believe it could have been a fault on the nvRAID side of things. But I’ve tried to re-install windows but once it has said "cannot recognise system type", some times it blue screens just after installing the RAID drivers. Its latest trick is to say "Testing system hardware configuration" and then goes blank and hangs...
Nice.
What I have done is to order an FX60 and a 3000 Venice.
If I have no luck trying to get the CPU and windows working tonight I’ll slam the Venice in and see if it makes any difference then. If it does I’ll put the opty back in and if it corrupts then its my CPU. But if it doesn't SCORE! I'll also use my other A8N-SLi Prem. just to check that it isn't a dodgy mobo either.
If, however, the CPU is borked then I’ll put the FX60 in there and just go with that.
As for the BIOS, both the temps and volts are 100% bang on. And nope, I haven't cut into the PCB, thankfully, but there are two very, very shallow scratches on the edges where the razor blaze "brushed" the surface while just going around the IHS. I assure you these are not deep.
Thanks again Webbo,
Agent.
P.S. I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SPENT £710 ON A CPU!!! WHAT AM I DOING?!!?
P.P.S. Does the pic below look "usual" for a naked 170? The red square it the one that has been touched up a bit by the knife but no real damage...
Thanks for your reply mate. The system is posting fine, I believe it could have been a fault on the nvRAID side of things. But I’ve tried to re-install windows but once it has said "cannot recognise system type", some times it blue screens just after installing the RAID drivers. Its latest trick is to say "Testing system hardware configuration" and then goes blank and hangs...
Nice.
What I have done is to order an FX60 and a 3000 Venice.
If I have no luck trying to get the CPU and windows working tonight I’ll slam the Venice in and see if it makes any difference then. If it does I’ll put the opty back in and if it corrupts then its my CPU. But if it doesn't SCORE! I'll also use my other A8N-SLi Prem. just to check that it isn't a dodgy mobo either.
If, however, the CPU is borked then I’ll put the FX60 in there and just go with that.
As for the BIOS, both the temps and volts are 100% bang on. And nope, I haven't cut into the PCB, thankfully, but there are two very, very shallow scratches on the edges where the razor blaze "brushed" the surface while just going around the IHS. I assure you these are not deep.
Thanks again Webbo,
Agent.
P.S. I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST SPENT £710 ON A CPU!!! WHAT AM I DOING?!!?
P.P.S. Does the pic below look "usual" for a naked 170? The red square it the one that has been touched up a bit by the knife but no real damage...
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When you say 'scratches' is there any copper visible underneath? if so you have gone too deep 
. Dosn't look like that from the pic though and yes that looks 'normal' although there seems to be a 'notch' near the 'T' on the bottom edge of the PCB, is that where you scratched the PCB? Either way m8 I wouldn't worry as imo it seems fine and if it boots into Bios you're good to go. Never heard of a CPU that had the IHS removed that would boot but is dead. They either work or they don't.
. Dosn't look like that from the pic though and yes that looks 'normal' although there seems to be a 'notch' near the 'T' on the bottom edge of the PCB, is that where you scratched the PCB? Either way m8 I wouldn't worry as imo it seems fine and if it boots into Bios you're good to go. Never heard of a CPU that had the IHS removed that would boot but is dead. They either work or they don't.
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w3bbo said:When you say 'scratches' is there any copper visible underneath? if so you have gone too deep
Hay Webbo,
No copper is visable from the scratchs. So I think that is fine. As for the notch by the "T". I will have to check that out but I don't think it is any thing (but when again I didn't really look...).
If the PC doesn't boot and its a CPU error, what beeping noice does it give off? I'm just wondering 'cos I will know what the problem is if it does it.
Other than that I can't wait to get home and try it out!!
Agent.
easyrider said:So instead of rolling eyes at me tell me what those parameters are?
If the cpu is below 60 and it primes for 24 hrs and its stable whats the problem?
These optys are server chips and you state they need to be under 50c and even under 45c at load
LMAO
Ok, I will ignore you laughing..just for the sake of the community I will just say this:
What is the name of this thread?
AMD's specs you are talking about are guidelines for CPU's running at standard clocks and volts.
If we now have someone that has bought an Opteron..(server chip) ...do you really think it was because for it's server capabilities and wanna run it on 2.0GHz? ...or wait, maybe because he wanted to overclock his chip...hmmmm.
....yes, that must be it...after all he is here...right? So, I assume he is after a good overclock and need a good advice on how to get there...after all this is a thread about OC'ing Opteron 170...right?
...I had plans on go on and on...but I'm just sick and tired of beeing sick and tired....and post it here...in a overclocking thread...in OcUK's forum.
....under 45c is the key to get the best clock...period.
Agent WD40 said:
Check the legs on the SMD...and as a final solution remove it.
You have a pretty good chance of it running perfectly well without it..(mine is).
Their function are for reducing possible Electromagnetic Interference...mostly in dense server environments.
EDIT: I'm talking about that little thingie you have circled in with red.
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Agent WD40 said:
Sorry what an idiot posted for the wrong person !!!!!!!
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