*** Official Prey (2017) Thread ***

[Marky]

It seems like a valid reason to me? I mean it is true anyone can try the game for two hours and then refund, so it is free.
But I think more important reason for no PC demo is because they do not want to make cracking of the final game easier, and demos can sometimes help crackers with the access to executable.

Admittedly this is anecdotal, as I've not yet had to refund a game - But I heard that if you refund two games in quick succession, Steam get the grump on and challenge the refund.

Again, this may be me being naive, but I can't imagine it'd take much to produce a demo that shuts off before the story gets real interesting...

It just smells of a bugged PC release, but we shall see...

Not entirely sure that I would agree with Mack that we havent had games that come close to Half Life for immersion, one of the most immersive games I have played ever is Alien Isolation, I suspect there is a little tinting of rose on his glasses maybe.

I was really surprised to hear Mack getting all gooey about a game that hasn't been released yet - That's never really been his style... You know that if it's a pile of garbage, he'll probably slate it worse than No Man's Sky though

 

[Bishie]

Not entirely sure that I would agree with Mack that we havent had games that come close to Half Life for immersion, one of the most immersive games I have played ever is Alien Isolation, I suspect there is a little tinting of rose on his glasses maybe.

Alien: Isolation wasn't revolutionary, though. My biggest gripe was that it was heavily scripted. Mack gave it a thumbs up, but he obviously doesn't think it's the same calibre as the Half-Life series, both of which raised the bar for the genre.

Admittedly this is anecdotal, as I've not yet had to refund a game - But I heard that if you refund two games in quick succession, Steam get the grump on and challenge the refund.

I recently refunded two games in succession, and in both instances I was issued a refund to my Steam wallet. I eventually settled on a good game.

 

[Tombstone]

Alien: Isolation wasn't revolutionary, though. My biggest gripe was that it was heavily scripted. Mack gave it a thumbs up, but he obviously doesn't think it's the same calibre as the Half-Life series, both of which raised the bar for the genre.

Can see what you are saying, its just that when I look back over the last 30 years of gaming I , personally, really dont think that the Half Life series is quite as unique and outstanding as many people remember. They were good games, excellent games even but far from the god-like, awe-inspiring, greatest titles ever which some people remember them as and absolutely (imo at least) not unmatched or unrivalled in the last 20 years of gaming as Mack claims in that video.

 

[TNA]

Can see what you are saying, its just that when I look back over the last 30 years of gaming I , personally, really dont think that the Half Life series is quite as unique and outstanding as many people remember. They were good games, excellent games even but far from the god-like, awe-inspiring, greatest titles ever which some people remember them as and absolutely (imo at least) not unmatched or unrivalled in the last 20 years of gaming as Mack claims in that video.

True. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is a much better game!

I have more fond memories for Deus Ex than any Half Life game personally.

 

[Marky]

Can see what you are saying, its just that when I look back over the last 30 years of gaming I , personally, really dont think that the Half Life series is quite as unique and outstanding as many people remember. They were good games, excellent games even but far from the god-like, awe-inspiring, greatest titles ever which some people remember them as and absolutely (imo at least) not unmatched or unrivalled in the last 20 years of gaming as Mack claims in that video.

As an extra tidbit... Half Life was very heavily scripted as well

 

[Bishie]

I , personally, really dont think that the Half Life series is quite as unique and outstanding as many people remember. They were good games, excellent games even but far from the god-like, awe-inspiring, greatest titles ever which some people remember them as and absolutely (imo at least) not unmatched or unrivalled in the last 20 years of gaming as Mack claims in that video.

You forget that Half-Life 2's engine was a pioneer in the technical department. We hadn't seen physics used to such a degree since DreamWorks released Trespasser in 1998! The Source engine introduced a myriad of different advancements, such as realistic AI behaviour, facial expressions, and water physics.

As an extra tidbit... Half Life was very heavily scripted as well

Yeah, but Alien: Isolation was made ten years after Half-Life 2, and wasn't nearly as impactful!

 

[TonyTurbo78]

I've never ever understood all the hype for Hl/Hl2, played it way back when I got into PC gaming, actually thought it was pants back then. Since then I've tried it several times because of everyone saying its one of the best games ever released and should give it another go, but to be honest I still don't get the love for it, to me it's absolutely gash..I'm sure Nexus will vouch for my hate of the game haha.

Not entirely sure what all the hype for this is either to be honest, just looks like another game to me.

 

[Warbie]

At release Half Life was like nothing else and i'd argue the same is true today. No other fps has put the player in the shoes of the protagonist as much. There's a bunch of reasons why, but basically a simple, relateable story all told via setting and gameplay. This is where HL2 went wrong for me. No longer was I Gordon Freemn trying to survive a day at work gone horribly wrong - I was a mute, with more in common with Halo's Master Chief, wondering around and doing what other people told me to do. I wish more developers would get this. We don't need complex characters, dialogue and story. Just stick the player in the game and ask them - 'what the **** you going to do now'?

 

[Gregster]

Can see what you are saying, its just that when I look back over the last 30 years of gaming I , personally, really dont think that the Half Life series is quite as unique and outstanding as many people remember. They were good games, excellent games even but far from the god-like, awe-inspiring, greatest titles ever which some people remember them as and absolutely (imo at least) not unmatched or unrivalled in the last 20 years of gaming as Mack claims in that video.

Agreed and there has been some incredible games released and some seriously **** poor games also. Being the old git I am, I have always been a gamer since the Speccy and spent my hard earned money on some serious tripe over the many years but when HL was released, it really did stick with me and made me want to play again and again, even though I had completed it. I remember the first Tomb Raider on the PS and was blown away.... Elements of Puzzle, action, story, music and toughness made for a great game and genre, games like Wipeout and Timeshifters are all classics to me but another person would probably disagree. Dishonoured (not played 2 yet) was a game I just got bored with and whilst others would hang me for saying it, I appreciate that we all like different things and I can see why others love it. Give me a good story in a game and I will probably see it through (Fallout 3, The Longest Journey/Dreamfall/chapters, Final Fantasy (only played from 7 in truth), Batman games etc) but gameplay is king for me and I go back to the likes of Doom, Ghosts and Goblins, Shadow of the Beast, manic miner etc and they had that element of glue that kept you coming back for more.

Anyways lol, I am hoping Prey doesn't let us down with poor controls, story, gameplay

 

[Nexus18]

HL 2 was what really got me into gaming, I remember watching this video and just being wowed by the physics etc.

Don't think there has been a game/engine since then that has had me going "WOW", sure some games like crysis, the division are extremely impressive but they just haven't leaped forward as much as what the source engine/hl 2 did imo, especially for interaction with the game world and the physics.

Plus with the cinematic mod 2013, it still looks very good.

As for "immersive" games, I wouldn't say HL 2 was "that" immersive, plenty of other games out there that are far more immersive such as alien isolation and probably the most immersive game ever for me is assassins creed unity, the game world feels so alive and makes a lot of other games feel "empty"

Exactly what I was thinking. But I can't be asked to buy the game fUll price on steam to try it as a demo. I probably would forget and go past 2 hours and then find a bug later.

For example there was a game breaking bug with Deus Ex Mankind Divided in the last quarter of the game. I got stuck in the metro and could not go past that loading screen. Took them a few days to release a fix so I could not play.

Anyway, not a huge deal for me personally, demo or no demo, I just want the game to be very good. Even if with bugs on release, at least after a few patches we will have an awesome game to play. If it is super polished with no bugs but the game sucks, that would be much worse

Pretty much

Doesn't matter either way for me too as I always wait at least 6 months or so to play games now, or however long it takes for games to get patched up and working as they should have been on day 1....

I've never ever understood all the hype for Hl/Hl2, played it way back when I got into PC gaming, actually thought it was pants back then. Since then I've tried it several times because of everyone saying its one of the best games ever released and should give it another go, but to be honest I still don't get the love for it, to me it's absolutely gash..I'm sure Nexus will vouch for my hate of the game haha.

Not entirely sure what all the hype for this is either to be honest, just looks like another game to me.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Can't be all that judging by the size of this thread, and those on other forums, so tells you all tbh

 

[SS-89]

Can't be all that judging by the size of this thread, and those on other forums, so tells you all tbh

Bizarre statement, a lot of quality games don't get much press/forum buzz.

I'm ready for the weekend already can't wait to give it a whirl i liked what I played in the PS4 demo.

 

[Bishie]

Can't be all that judging by the size of this thread, and those on other forums, so tells you all tbh

Many have no concept of what constitutes a good game!

You have to remind yourself that the people who buy each and every iteration of a mainstream franchise are stifling the industry, resulting in uninspired, formularised rehashes every year!

Until people vote with their wallets, this trend will never change!

 

[TonyTurbo78]

I remember the first Tomb Raider on the PS and was blown away.... Elements of Puzzle, action, story, music and toughness made for a great game and genre

This on so many levels is spot on Greg, you and me both on this one. I started gaming back on Acorn Electron as a wee wee lad, then c16, c64, Amiga500, Amiga 1200 before moving to my first console which was the ps1. Tomb Raider has been my biggest wow in gaming ever. It blew me and my friends for months. All trying to complete levels before the other, all telling stories of completing puzzles, all getting goey over the music when you enter new areas. No modern game has really wowed the socks off me, I'm not sure they even exist in this day and age. Most games now are just regurgitated tripe, nothing is ever ground breaking to me now, it's all been done. Late 80s to mid 90s was the gaming high point for me, nothing compares to that era. Stuff that I can truly call ground breaking for me Elite and Pirates on C64. Amiga it was Another World/flashback, Syndicate, Sensible Soccer, Secret Of Monkey Island, Elite, Dune 2, Wings, The Lost Patrol, Turrican Then obviously that first Tomb Raider. I don't know if it's an age thing, but no modern game gets anywhere near that gaming pinnacle.

People calling this potentially the game of the last 20 years, what's it doing different? It's a linear shooter, seen it done it. I've even read groundbreaking, how exactly, what's so groundbreaking about it. Will wait for reviews and thoughts come Friday, just dying for something really special to happen in gaming. The only thing I see as being truly groundbreaking in the modern day is Star Citizen, that's the big one I'm excited for, not something like Prey that looks like an 8 hour linear shooter.

 

[TNA]

Many have no concept of what constitutes a good game!

You have to remind yourself that the people who buy each and every iteration of a mainstream franchise are stifling the industry, resulting in uninspired, formularised rehashes every year!

Until people vote with their wallets, this trend will never change!

Yeah. I find this a bit annoying myself. But it is what it is unfortunately

 

[Paul_cz]

Comparisons to HL series are a bit strange, Prey is spiritual successor to System Shock and has much more common with that than HL. HL, as wonderful as it was, is still "just" a primitive shooter, while System Shock/Deus Ex etc games are quite a bit more ambitious and advanced.

 

[Bishie]

Comparisons to HL series are a bit strange, Prey is spiritual successor to System Shock and has much more common with that than HL. HL, as wonderful as it was, is still "just" a primitive shooter, while System Shock/Deus Ex etc games are quite a bit more ambitious and advanced.

Mack specifies why he compares it to Half-Life in the video I posted previously. Prey definitely borrows from other games in the genre, but I'm hoping it brings something new to the table also.

 

[Gregster]

This on so many levels is spot on Greg, you and me both on this one. I started gaming back on Acorn Electron as a wee wee lad, then c16, c64, Amiga500, Amiga 1200 before moving to my first console which was the ps1. Tomb Raider has been my biggest wow in gaming ever. It blew me and my friends for months. All trying to complete levels before the other, all telling stories of completing puzzles, all getting goey over the music when you enter new areas. No modern game has really wowed the socks off me, I'm not sure they even exist in this day and age. Most games now are just regurgitated tripe, nothing is ever ground breaking to me now, it's all been done. Late 80s to mid 90s was the gaming high point for me, nothing compares to that era. Stuff that I can truly call ground breaking for me Elite and Pirates on C64. Amiga it was Another World/flashback, Syndicate, Sensible Soccer, Secret Of Monkey Island, Elite, Dune 2, Wings, The Lost Patrol, Turrican Then obviously that first Tomb Raider. I don't know if it's an age thing, but no modern game gets anywhere near that gaming pinnacle.

People calling this potentially the game of the last 20 years, what's it doing different? It's a linear shooter, seen it done it. I've even read groundbreaking, how exactly, what's so groundbreaking about it. Will wait for reviews and thoughts come Friday, just dying for something really special to happen in gaming. The only thing I see as being truly groundbreaking in the modern day is Star Citizen, that's the big one I'm excited for, not something like Prey that looks like an 8 hour linear shooter.

The scary bit is Tony, I know all those games and have sunk many days/weeks/months into them. Another World opening scene really set the stage and although the game was short, what a game! The Monkey Island series indeed was amazing and good comedy, with the likes of Simon the Sorcerer being up there with many others. Populous was another that lost me so much time and talking of Sensible Soccer, Cannon Fodder springs to mind and a complete and utter peach of a game. I certainly feel we were blessed as the older generation and because of that, it takes something special for me to put time into it. I have put 9 weeks of playtime into Elite Dangerous but sadly it is on the back burner now, I like Wildlands but it is all a bit samey and whilst the play area is huge, I can't see me putting much more time into it. Nier Automata is my game of 2017 by a country mile and it will take something special to surpass that and seeing you like the same style of games as me, I am sure you would love that.

 

[TonyTurbo78]

The scary bit is Tony, I know all those games and have sunk many days/weeks/months into them. Another World opening scene really set the stage and although the game was short, what a game! The Monkey Island series indeed was amazing and good comedy, with the likes of Simon the Sorcerer being up there with many others. Populous was another that lost me so much time and talking of Sensible Soccer, Cannon Fodder springs to mind and a complete and utter peach of a game. I certainly feel we were blessed as the older generation and because of that, it takes something special for me to put time into it. I have put 9 weeks of playtime into Elite Dangerous but sadly it is on the back burner now, I like Wildlands but it is all a bit samey and whilst the play area is huge, I can't see me putting much more time into it. Nier Automata is my game of 2017 by a country mile and it will take something special to surpass that and seeing you like the same style of games as me, I am sure you would love that.

"War has never been so much fun,
war has never been so much fun
Go to your brother
Kill him with your gun
Leave him lying in his uniform
Dying in the sun"

HAHA epic Greg, Epic, still remember that song in my head like it was yesterday. And Mega Lo Mania as well ....damn anyway, dont want this to get off topic, just I find all the hype for Prey a little strange, almost like they hyping it because there is nothing else to get excited about at the moment. Come on Star Citizen I need you.

 

[Paul_cz]

Mack specifies why he compares it to Half-Life in the video I posted previously. Prey definitely borrows from other games in the genre, but I'm hoping it brings something new to the table also.

For me most important qualities are atmosphere, story, gameplay. It does not need to be super original if these aspects are of high quality. But I think the abilities here, mimic of course, should be a lot of fun to play around with..and are kinda original too.