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I just skimmed through the first few pages and then I ran a simple term search, 'the game', and found that paragraph. Even when you quote the entire thing, it's not clear if CIG are contractually allowed to sell 2 products. The distiction is important because it's relevant in the process of negotiating royalties. A decade ago, I worked for a company which sold/supported banking applications under an Oracle license. The company could not modify/expand Oracle code, sell it to a bank and then modify it a bit only to sell it to the next bank. Each iteration, no matter how similar, was covered by different contracts/amendments.

I found CIG's response odd because, in the first stage of such a legal conflict, it's quite common for the both sides to present their case in a succinct manner that mainly consists of allegations (ie. 'you did this n that, which resulted in this that' and the reply 'no I didn't'). It is in later stages that both sides expand their arguments, provide proof, witnesses etc.

As for the internet generation comment, Crytek hired a law firm which has recently won a $500m law suit vs. Facebook so I think it's safe to assume they have not skimmed through those documents like I did (unless ofc Crytek was bluffing).
 
wolfie138 said:
hmm, that's actually a very interesting point, how much of the ship sales etc would that cover?
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Sales do not matter in this case because CIG bought the license in cash. The real question is, did they need a second license when they decided to sell Sq42 and SC separately?
 
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Zethor said:
As for the internet generation comment, Crytek hired a law firm which has recently won a $500m law suit vs. Facebook so I think it's safe to assume they have not skimmed through those documents like I did (unless ofc Crytek was bluffing).
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Any Law firm will look very carefully at the arguments and only proceed with filing a law suit if they think they have at least a realistic chance of winning, their reputation literally depends on it and that particular law firm does enjoy a good reputation.
 
Depends on the area the lawyer works in, if it's copyright dispute then being able to get an out of court settlement isn't necessarily a bad thing particularly if you can hide the amount by getting confidentiality agreements so "everyone wins".
 
Submitted my request for a partial refund :( No longer works via streaming and no apparent fixes in sight. I've asked for a partial refund with the remaining bit being my original package that I kickstarted with; gives me access and 'invested' and also a hope that things might change.... I'll see how I get on!
 
Zethor said:
While the 'Game' consists of the 2 elements, in Exhinit 2 it says 'For the avoidance of doubt, the Game does not include any content being sold and marketed separately'. That to me sounds like they shouldn't be selling the parts separately and doing so could be a breach of contract.

It's too much of a hassle to go through the rest but I think it's important to note that Crytek's claims in the initial filing were crystal clear and on point while CIG's reply had a lot of melodramatic fluff probably written because they knew many of the backers/potential customers would be reading it. :)

Maybe this was Crytek's bluff and now that they're being called on it, they'll back off. If it isn't a bluff, it won't be as easy as some of the backers think it will be, the biggest/baddest law firm on the planet does not take cases without rigurous due diligence.
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What you've missed is they didn't start selling it seperate till they switched to Lumberyard so there is no case here for CryTek.

They sold it as one package whilst using CryEngine. So its a non complaint.
 
BlizzardX said:
Submitted my request for a partial refund :( No longer works via streaming and no apparent fixes in sight. I've asked for a partial refund with the remaining bit being my original package that I kickstarted with; gives me access and 'invested' and also a hope that things might change.... I'll see how I get on!
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Took about 3-4 weeks in total from first contact to getting the money back in my PayPal account. Mine was a full refund though...I'll just buy at launch (if it's any good)
 
Curlyriff said:
What you've missed is they didn't start selling it seperate till they switched to Lumberyard so there is no case here for CryTek.

They sold it as one package whilst using CryEngine. So its a non complaint.
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Not that simple. The fact they are selling separately now is simply evidence that it was a separate 'game' all along. Lawyers gonna have a field day.
 
mid_gen said:
Not that simple. The fact they are selling separately now is simply evidence that it was a separate 'game' all along. Lawyers gonna have a field day.
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You really believe that! ?

If you actually read the GLA they had the provision for SQ42 anyway so again, either way I fail to see how they can have said "Field Day"
 
pete910 said:
You really believe that! ?

If you actually read the GLA they had the provision for SQ42 anyway so again, either way I fail to see how they can have said "Field Day"
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Maybe you should volunteer to lead CIG's legal defense as you're so sure of yourself!

This whole thing is just one big payday for the law firms involved, with a sideshow of being potentially seriously damaging for the losing side. A lawyer's field day by anyone's book...
 
mid_gen said:
Maybe you should volunteer to lead CIG's legal defense as you're so sure of yourself!
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Why the snide remark? Because I can read English? It's there in black and white in the GLA! So unless it's not the real GLA I cant see how anyone else cannot come to the same conclusion.(Regards SQ42)

mid_gen said:
This whole thing is just one big payday for the law firms involved, with a sideshow of being potentially seriously damaging for the losing side. A lawyer's field day by anyone's book...
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This I agree, seems to be the theme whatever the legal issue is!
 
mid_gen said:
Not that simple. The fact they are selling separately now is simply evidence that it was a separate 'game' all along. Lawyers gonna have a field day.
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Irrelevant it was always seperate game as per the first paragraph in gla and explicit in it. They were not able to sell seperate though. That isn't a problem as soon as they moved to Lumberyard.
 
deuse said:
Sounds like a ranting fan boy. Also we don't know what the rules are when using Lumeryard, when already having a contract with Crytek.
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The GLA is right there. There is no exclusivity in that contract to stop people CIG also working with another engine. CryTek tried to say otherwise and this proves its not true as long as the GLA isn't faked.

And that which is shown above is a statement that the attached is true by a lawyer that has no ties to CIG as witness. It is purely legal requirement.
 
Curlyriff said:
What you've missed is they didn't start selling it seperate till they switched to Lumberyard so there is no case here for CryTek.

They sold it as one package whilst using CryEngine. So its a non complaint.
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The SC/Sq42 split happened in February 2016. The first Lumberyard version of the game was released in late December 2016 (2.6). CIG may have explaining to do for this 10 month period, at least.

Because we share a common technical vision, it has been a very smooth and easy transition to Lumberyard. In fact, we are excited to announce that our upcoming 2.6 Alpha release for Star Citizen is running on Lumberyard and AWS.


http://www.pcgamer.com/star-citizen-switches-from-cryengine-to-amazons-lumberyard/
 
Zethor said:
The SC/Sq42 split happened in February 2016. The first Lumberyard version of the game was released in late December 2016 (2.6). CIG may have explaining to do for this 10 month period, at least.

Because we share a common technical vision, it has been a very smooth and easy transition to Lumberyard. In fact, we are excited to announce that our upcoming 2.6 Alpha release for Star Citizen is running on Lumberyard and AWS.


http://www.pcgamer.com/star-citizen-switches-from-cryengine-to-amazons-lumberyard/
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Yeah they released their first version of what we played. You don't know when the switch actually happened.

It still is wondered as two games in the GLA and it still doesn't seem to lock out selling them seperate in wording. I'm just pointing out that they cpuld have moved over SQ42 stuff for all we know during February 2016 since that also happens to be the month that Amazon released free its source code.

That was my understanding when try actually switched.

Edit: in fact it even points out that is likely since it firms up CIG stopped taking updates from CryTek end 2015. So looks like they were in talks long before it was public.

Edit 2: although they didnt finalise deal till August. Still an unknown if they had already moved across.
 
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Picked this up in the holiday sale, wondering if there's there any way to make it any more stable? I realise it's still (pre?) alpha, but honestly there are so many basic game breaking bugs it's unreal, So far my experience has consisted of:

Wait 10 mins to load.
Wait another 5 mins before my HDD stops churning and my FPS is above 0.5 (Yeah I realise I should install it on an SSD, but it's still worse than anything else).
Spawn my ship.
Can't interact with the airlock door - log out
Wait 5 mins to load.
Spawn my ship.
Walk to my ship - it has no doors or cockpit so I can't fly it - log out
Wait 5 mins to load.
Spawn my ship.
Walk to my ship - it has no doors or cockpit so I can't fly it - claim on insurance
Wait 3 mins for insurance claim
Spawn my ship.
Walk to my ship, finally I can get in and fly it
Fly to a planet (ok, this part was pretty cool)
Game crashes just after I land
Wait 5 mins to load.
I've respawned in Port Olisar... try to spawn ship - it's in an unknown location
Claim on insurance
Go to play Arena Commander to practice my flying while waiting for insurance
Spawn in the middle of space with no ship
Quit Arena Commander
Go to play Arena Commander
Spawn in a different position in the middle of space with no ship
Log out and play Elite Dangerous.
 
@Haggisman
Tbf a SSD is they way to go, way to much streaming in/out with this game.

I understand your pain though. Regards the ship bug, Do an insurance claim then they work. I know.. Pre alpha an all that.

Hardest trick has been finding a decent server that's not at a standstill!

It also pays to join others as they will know the tricks so to speak.
 
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