** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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Tummy said:
No, just means he's playing well.

Average players can produce good performances, and good players can produce average performances.

Fletcher is good, nothing special. He's been playing well.
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Fletcher has been putting in good performances for quite a few seasons now, so when does he stop being an average player putting good performances in and become just a pretty good midfielder?

In the games against Liverpool, Arsenal & Chelsea over the past 3/4 seasons he's been much more effective for us than Gerrard, Fabregas or Lampard have been against us.

You also have the likes of De Rossi playing for a team like Roma who never win anything and never really do anything against any half decent team yet the whole world and his wife rate him as one of the best midfielders in the world yet Fletcher is the first name on the team sheet at Man Utd and is still thought of as an average player - dont get that at all!
 
Do you think that Fletcher is as good as Rossi?

I've not said I think Fletcher is a bad player, nor have I said he's the best player in the known universe.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
rooney has only had 1 good season so far, the rest have been poor for a striker playing at manchester united.

look at his stats its a 1 goal every 2.5 games average up until this season, therefore rooney is just playing well too
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Since when was a goal every other game (or near enough that rate) not considered good?
 
Tummy said:
Do you think that Fletcher is as good as Rossi?

I've not said I think Fletcher is a bad player, nor have I said he's the best player in the known universe.
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I dont watch Italian football so cant comment, I was just using him as an example as someone a large amount of people see as one of the best midfielder's in the world; just begs the question if he was that good A- why hasn't he moved onto a team that could utilise this player or B- why haven't Roma done better with him in the team

And I realise you haven't said Fletcher is a bad player but you responded when I asked the person who did (who claimed he was average) why :)
 
Fletcher isn't a bad player, he is just not in the same league as someone like Essien.

De Rossi is overrated as are people like Mascherano, based on that Fletcher is well above average.
 
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Psycho Sonny said:
less money?

real and barca are the only teams with money and its extremely hard to get into those teams. i would rather play for mid placed club in the premiership than a mid table spanish side.

but if i was good enough then i would rather play for barcelona than chelsea
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Given the choice I'd play in Spain at any cost if I were a pro, a straight choice between here and Spain? It'd take a mental to choose here?!

p.s. De Rossi is brilliant!
 
Look at David Villa, he's one of the top Strikers in Europe / World football and stayed at Valencia for a very long time.

Loyalty. Rossi is loyal and happy, is he not a Roma fan?

He's a good player, I think he's a better player then Fletcher.
 
De Rossi is carrying on in Totti's footsteps :) He'll never leave Roma. Technically he ***** on Fletcher, but Fletcher is more aggressive and busy, comes to the same old argument, do you prefer an aggressive player who suits the Premiership/English football, or a player with outstanding technique like De Rossi who could literally choose where he wants to play.

Edit - They are very different players so it's hard to compare them, one a destroyer/all action midfielder, the other a pass specialist/playmaker.
 
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Rapier said:
Fletcher isn't a bad player, he is just not in the same league as someone like Essien.

Rossi is overrated as are people like Mascherano, based on that Fletcher is well above average.
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Ah Essien.... how many games in midfield has he played over the past 3 seasons again?

The only season I can remember him being fit for any amount of time and he was playing in defence.

*I'm not claiming that Fletcher is better than Essien*
 
Tummy said:
Look at David Villa, he's one of the top Strikers in Europe / World football and stayed at Valencia for a very long time.

Loyalty. Rossi is loyal and happy, is he not a Roma fan?

He's a good player, I think he's a better player then Fletcher.
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Loyalty? Nah, that's a fan's rose tinted view of footballers. They're employees just like the majority of other people and they'll go where they want to go, or more than likely where there's financial reward in doing so.

There always was the thought that Villa would move on, it seems now that Valencia have finally cashed in on him and he's gone to the only two clubs within his country that can afford him, i.e. Barca or Real.

If Rossi's being loyal to Roma then you can be very sure he's being paid a hell of a lot to stay should offers have come in for him. People talk about Shearer's loyalty to Newcastle but that's rubbish, I'm sure I heard that his contract automatically adjusts itself so that he's the highest paid player at the club.
 
Tummy said:
Look at David Villa, he's one of the top Strikers in Europe / World football and stayed at Valencia for a very long time.

Loyalty. Rossi is loyal and happy, is he not a Roma fan?

He's a good player, I think he's a better player then Fletcher.
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Villa was only actually at Valencia for 5 seasons (it's amazing that neither Real or Barca got him last summer making that only 4 seasons) that's less than the time Ronaldo spent at United; no-one would consider him 'loyal'

I dont know about Rossi, like I said I was only using him as an example and if he is loyal to Roma then good on him but loyalty doesn't seem to be something that today's footballers have in them; unless of course they play for Real Madrid or Barcelona
 
fletcher is good because he cost us nowt, doesnt have an expensive contract and does 1 job when he is on the pitch.

ask anything else of him apart from lots of running and a few tackles and you are putting him out of his depth.

Look at David Villa, he's one of the top Strikers in Europe / World football and stayed at Valencia for a very long time.
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like shearer and newcastleman.
 
I did mention league ;)

Why are you comparing Drogba's over all scoring record against Rooneys league ?

282 apps, 131 goals for Rooney.

166 apps 84 goals for Drogba in the league, decide which your going to go for :)
 
Nickg said:
fletcher is good because he cost us nowt, doesnt have an expensive contract and does 1 job when he is on the pitch.

ask anything else of him apart from lots of running and a few tackles and you are putting him out of his depth.
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Yet by him doing that job has seen us fairly comfortably beat Arsenal & Liverpool quite consistently over the past 3 years

I'm not claiming that Fletcher is the be all and end all but surely his influence on the team doing what he does puts him above being simply an average player

*FYI Liverpool fans in the 3 games you beat us in a row Fletcher didn't play once*
 
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