** Official ** Summer 2010 Transfer Thread - Signings, Sightings and Rumor's in Here

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So because they're from the same country their characters are the same? :p

Mascherano wanted to move to Barca last summer but he acted like a model pro; no moaning and was fully committed on the pitch.

If he does want to leave again this summer (and it's not clear that he does, despite these comments) and the move doesn't go ahead, I'd have absolutely no worries about his attitude and application again next season.

I was just being facetious, but if a player wants a move they will do anything they can to engineer it, and with Liverpool's position this summer Mascherano may not be so willing to hang about again. Moreso if he has a good World Cup with the omission of Cambiasso.
 
A good player to liken him to is Ribery or Robben with their explosive pace from a standing start.

.........and therefore someone that United wont be signing.

In the past 5 years, how many actual top of their game world class players have united signed?
Answer?
None.
Wayne Rooney was the last properly desirable big name at the time player that the club has signed.
It seems the club or fergie just give up once someone else is interested, yet seemingly happy to pay £30.5 million for dross like Berbatov.
 
Di Maria had been linked to chelsea and real prior to this recent rumour so it seems to be doing the rounds with the top clubs. There was a rumour that he's already agreed to sign for Real last week.
 
Serves them right in all honesty...no sympathy from me towards Bordeaux...they should have taken the £10mill plus we were offering him back in January but decided not to...now means we dont pay Bordeaux a single penny for a very good striker:p

Happy days indeed \o/:D


Agreed, no sympathy for Bordeaux really when it was inevitable he would go to Arsenal in the end.

Will be a good start to the summer for them, just have to see what Wenger does with the transfer budget now that he's saved a lot with Chamakh coming on a free.

Indeed. :)

I've only seen Youtube videos of him apart from what I saw in the Champions League and he doesn't look like a bad little player. I know we'll probably pay him a signing fee and whatnot but still, he looks like a lot of player for little money, another good move from Wenger I hope. Speaking of good moves I suppose we'll now have to wait and see what else he does in the transfer market, all should be revealed within the next 6 to 8 weeks. :)
 
I've seen quite a lot of him in live games on TV and he looks a proper player. Not someone who's 5 years off developing possibly into a good player, he's near enough in his prime.

The main benefit he will bring to Arsenal is heading ability and a physical presence up front, although he's no slouch either.

The main worry would be his goalscoring record - it's not the greatest. But then again I'm sure Arsenal will create more chances for him than Bordeaux did.
 
.........and therefore someone that United wont be signing.

In the past 5 years, how many actual top of their game world class players have united signed?
Answer?
None.
Wayne Rooney was the last properly desirable big name at the time player that the club has signed.
It seems the club or fergie just give up once someone else is interested, yet seemingly happy to pay £30.5 million for dross like Berbatov.

Doesn't seem to have hurt us in previous seasons though has it? ;)

As long as United are winning things I'd rather Fergie paid less money for talented youngsters that then flourish into world class players ala Ronaldo than spend Real Madrid type money on players and then not win anything! I agree that Berbatov was a complete waste of money for the price United paid though, I would be pretty surprised if United don't aim to replace him with someone who will actually score! :p
 
Chamakh seems to be quite adept in the box already, ok, that's just from Youtube clips but being 25 as well he seems to be nearer to a finished product than a youngster. Big lad as well, should be interesting.
 
Chamakh seems to be quite adept in the box already, ok, that's just from Youtube clips but being 25 as well he seems to be nearer to a finished product than a youngster. Big lad as well, should be interesting.

He looked good from set pieces when I saw him in the CL which is what we desperately need. We can't be relying on the likes of Vermaelen and Bendtner at every corner.
 
He looked good from set pieces when I saw him in the CL which is what we desperately need. We can't be relying on the likes of Vermaelen and Bendtner at every corner.

Indeed...we need someone other than Bender and Vermaelen to head in goals although RVP scored one with his head a few weeks ago iirc.

To be fair to the lad he is very very left footed in the same way that Valencia is all right foot. Oh and he tore Everton a new butt hole when he played against them. A good player to liken him to is Ribery or Robben with their explosive pace from a standing start.

Ahhh ok didnt know that...tbh ive never heard of him so thought £38mill is a bit much for someone that hasnt really been raved about in the papers like Messi, Villa or Ronaldo for instance.
 
Mascherano's wife can't speak English, I read this in the paper the other day and it really annoyed me:,
:mad: 'my wife doesn't speak english and stays in the house all day'.

Mascherano signed for Liverpool at the beginning of 2007 so his family must have been here for at least 2 years, even if she can't speak english there must be more Argentinian families around Liverpool than those of other Argentinian footballers, it's not like the paperazzi are going to be chasing her, surely the WAGs would socialise with her if she made an effort?

I was going to say something about this as well. When I read the paper about this, my first reactions was "******* learn it then you whinging sod". You're living in England, you've been here for a few years, and you've not bothered to learn the language and then have the cheek to complain about it? Tough, I'm afraid. Make the effort.
 
Why do fans get it stuck in their heads they are missing something like, headed goals. Goals wasn't our problem this year, it was defence and mostly midfield.

Can someone please explain how Chamakh, from the bench with RVP as the lone striker, will bring us headed goals? Lets say we ruin him and start him at right wing like Bendtner last year, how many did Bendtner score from the wing? Bendtner scored our most important header of the year against Stoke, and set up an equalising goal against Barca, with his second most important header of the season, Vermaelen was the highest scoring defender in the league(well joint I think at the end).

Lets say we revert to 4-4-2 , which is unlikely as Wenger clearly thinks 4-3-3 works, evne despite desparately reverting to 4-4-2 in bad games, whats the point in playing Chamakh and RVP together, with Theo, Arshavin on the wings, Diaby in the middle with Song and Djourou in defence, with probably Sagna aswell. Arshavin isn't a winger, Theo isn't a footballer, Diaby might not be human, Song people rate highly, incorrectly, he's slow and was useless against any half decent team, Djourou was ALWAYS significantly worse than Senderos, weak, not good at heading despite his size and Senderos is deemed not good enough.

Chamakh is the last person we need to improve the club, not least as with our current line up he literally won't start games.

We need to be improving the BEST 11 we can put out for games we play against Chelsea, Barca, Utd, City, the games we couldn't come close to winning. Right now that means someone MILES better than Djourou/Silvestre in defence, someone miles better than Almunia in goal, someone who can play football instead of Diaby, Denilson, Theo, and some wingers who actually know what wing play is.

Whats the point in strengthening our bench........... when the best 11 we can put out will not improve and we'll still be completely incapable of beating the top teams.

If we drew with Utd, Chelsea and one more with City we'd be within one win of the title, if we'd won one game against Chelsea, Utd and City we'd have won the title.

Bench is irrelevant, even more so as Wenger absolutely refuses to use it, our BEST 11 HAS to improve, and dramatically, and striker is the one position, if we play one player, that can't improve as there isn't a single striker whose available and anywhere near RVP's quality.
 
.........and therefore someone that United wont be signing.

In the past 5 years, how many actual top of their game world class players have united signed?

Answer?
None.
Van Der Sar ??? Despite being 40 is probably one of the best goal keepers in the game today. Patrice Evra and Nemanja Vidic, two of the better defenders playing the game at the moment.

atpbx said:
Wayne Rooney was the last properly desirable big name at the time player that the club has signed.
It seems the club or fergie just give up once someone else is interested, yet seemingly happy to pay £30.5 million for dross like Berbatov.

If a player like Di Maria is available this summer then Ferguson would bid. But rightly so like he did last summer if other teams are willing to match any transfer bid and beat our wage offer significantly, then he is right to walk away from the deal. Karim Benzema anyone ? More worryingly if you do try and out bid teams like Real Madrid in the wage stakes, your going to get everyone else in the squad banging Ferguson's door down for a better deal.

Whilst everyone was quick to believe the hype that Ronaldo and all the other Galactico's signed for Los Merngues last summer due to some lust of love for the Madrid shirt. I am sure the fact that foreign sports stars pay significantly less tax then they would do in the UK. So a player wanting £120k after tax actually costs more to clubs like Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool than it does to Madrid, Barca etc.

To suggest the club just can't be arsed is quite frankly a load of bull.
 
38 million for Di Maria is insane frankly- there's absolutely zero guarantees that he will succeed, nor do I think he is twice as good as Valencia who it seems (with hindsight) was actually a great value signing!
 
38 million for Di Maria is insane frankly- there's absolutely zero guarantees that he will succeed, nor do I think he is twice as good as Valencia who it seems (with hindsight) was actually a great value signing!

Agree 100% with that.

Nobody can argue that Valencia has been a great signing for us. No doubt he will get better, playing with better players and a better standard of opposition. I would much rather sign a player like him and help him develop into a respectable player on the international stage than pay £38m for someone like Di Maria who is arguably on par with him.
 
Valencia's a decent player but a great signing? When you pay £16-17m on a player you've got to expect a fair bit surely? When you compare him to some of Utd's previous ~£17m players (Hargreaves, Carrick, Anderson & Nani) he does seem great though :p

As for Di Maria, from what I've seen he's a massive talent and has the potential to be a real superstar. Unfotunately £30m+ is a realistic value for him after Ronaldo is sold for £80m and you've got City and Real in the market.
 
As for Di Maria, from what I've seen he's a massive talent and has the potential to be a real superstar. Unfotunately £30m+ is a realistic value for him after Ronaldo is sold for £80m and you've got City and Real in the market.

It just seems insane that a player deemed a 'prospect' could be worth £38 million. United paid £12 million for Ronaldo when he was considered a 'prospect', I think that was fair. I honestly don't think any player who is young and relatively unproven should cost over £20 million at most. Hell, David Villa probably won't cost £38 million for whoever wants to sign him and he's scored over 20 goals for Valencia every season for 5 consecutive seasons. Real and City are completely responsible for making the transfer market ridiculous :mad:
 
Do we want Yaya? He was useless against Inter. I haven't really seen that much of him this season, he hasn't played a lot of the times I've watched Barca.
Of course, I accept anything is better than Denilson, and Diaby could be improved upon too...

Yaya Toure is excellent and would improve Arsenal's CM. Do we really want Messi, he was useless against Inter? Yes.
 
You can't compare what Utd paid for Ronaldo 7(?) years ago. The market is massively inflated because of Real and City like you say but also because Utd sold Ronaldo for £80m. Any club selling a top player will be sitting there and saying if Ronaldo's worth £80m then he's worth 'x' and I'm sure Benfica will say that Ronaldo's not worth 2.5 times more than Di Maria.

Also his value isn't just down to potential, he's an excellent player already too and even as a finished article he's worth £20m+ in todays market.

edit: and regarding Villa; valuing players at that age is difficult. If a club is being sensible then they won't pay a big fee for a player over 28 because there will be little sell on value. The flip side to that is Valencia will be thinking they won't be able to replace Villa with somebody of similar quality for anything less than a huge fee.
 
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