I am saying that signing Silva,Toure,Johnson,Milner are all good players we havent spent loads of money on say Upson,J Cole,Parker etc we have bought in good players for albeit more than they are worth but the price isnt a issue when your family is estimated at 550bn and well said AzaTake away the fee? Well anyone you get if you ignore the fee is a good signing then?
imho, you've made some very average signings and you've paid a lot of money for them. More money then sense.
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Silva / Toure are good players.
Johnson isn't the finished article and Milner? lol
I'd take J Cole over Milner, Milner is overrated.
Other then Tevez / Silva / Toure who else have you bought? Balloteli? maybe. Anyone else of note?
Johnson isn't the finished article and Milner? lol
I'd take J Cole over Milner, Milner is overrated.
Other then Tevez / Silva / Toure who else have you bought? Balloteli? maybe. Anyone else of note?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...erano-agrees-85-000-week-deal-Barcelona.html?
Surely that breaks all the rules ???
Surely that breaks all the rules ???
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I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know/understand this. It's just whether they agree with it or not.
Of course I understand it yeah, lol.
It is completely wrong that a club's spending can be so detached from a club's revenue, and though UEFA will inevitably get it wrong and fail to implement anything strict enough to stop such farcical spending, I am nevertheless pleased that they are trying to draft something.
If there's anything that people don't understand it's how wide-reaching the ramifications of such hideous overspending truly are.
-The wages that Man City are paying some of their players make a complete mockery of traditional wage structures. Currently a defensive midfielder is their highest paid player, and is on more than double what clubs like Arsenal or Tottenham pay their top players. This is bad for Man City because it means new signings want stupid money and it’ll mean existing players want even more come renewal time, especially their top strikers who will not be happy to be earning less than the likes of Toure.
-Other clubs have to try and compete with the ridiculous amounts City will pay in wages and transfer fees. Not only does this force clubs who aren’t run by demented oligarchs into debt, it increases the disparity unreasonably between leagues, and drives up transfer fees across the board. Maybe the Sheikh is here forever, but Portsmouth are there as a shining example of what will happen if the rich owner stops giving handouts, but the club carries on paying more money in wages than it is earning. The ratio of wage expenses to turnover is already at a dangerous level in football, and all this kamikaze spending will do is make it worse.
-It results in the ridiculous situation where Man City are paying players huge wages not to play for them; ie Robinho to Santos or Bellamy to Cardiff (and there will be many more before the squad deadline on September the 1st when clubs have to trim to 25). By ensuring these players aren’t loaned to their rivals but instead to leagues they are far too good for, the are exerting influence beyond the allotted 25 players, and I’m surprised it’s allowed.
It is completely wrong that a club's spending can be so detached from a club's revenue, and though UEFA will inevitably get it wrong and fail to implement anything strict enough to stop such farcical spending, I am nevertheless pleased that they are trying to draft something.
If there's anything that people don't understand it's how wide-reaching the ramifications of such hideous overspending truly are.
-The wages that Man City are paying some of their players make a complete mockery of traditional wage structures. Currently a defensive midfielder is their highest paid player, and is on more than double what clubs like Arsenal or Tottenham pay their top players. This is bad for Man City because it means new signings want stupid money and it’ll mean existing players want even more come renewal time, especially their top strikers who will not be happy to be earning less than the likes of Toure.
-Other clubs have to try and compete with the ridiculous amounts City will pay in wages and transfer fees. Not only does this force clubs who aren’t run by demented oligarchs into debt, it increases the disparity unreasonably between leagues, and drives up transfer fees across the board. Maybe the Sheikh is here forever, but Portsmouth are there as a shining example of what will happen if the rich owner stops giving handouts, but the club carries on paying more money in wages than it is earning. The ratio of wage expenses to turnover is already at a dangerous level in football, and all this kamikaze spending will do is make it worse.
-It results in the ridiculous situation where Man City are paying players huge wages not to play for them; ie Robinho to Santos or Bellamy to Cardiff (and there will be many more before the squad deadline on September the 1st when clubs have to trim to 25). By ensuring these players aren’t loaned to their rivals but instead to leagues they are far too good for, the are exerting influence beyond the allotted 25 players, and I’m surprised it’s allowed.
Where was that reported? Was wondering why we hadn't heard an announcement if the medical was yesterday, it's not like we have to worry about a work permit or anything so I expected it to go through right away. I was starting to get concerned he failed the medical....
Pleased we added a defender, you're not wrong, we need a bloody goalie sharpish now. I would be elated to get Stekelenburg but even Schwarzer would be good if we can finally seal it.
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Take away the fee? Well anyone you get if you ignore the fee is a good signing then?
I see your comment and raise you Stephane Guivarc'h - even if he'd been on a free transfer he'd have been a rip off for Newcastle and Rangers subequent to that.
There are a few more but he's the first one that came to mind. I do agree with the general point though that you can't divorce the merit of the player from the cost of signing them completely.
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I have no words, where is the smiley for roffles!
what next..."Arise, sir Emile"
I see your comment and raise you Stephane Guivarc'h - even if he'd been on a free transfer he'd have been a rip off for Newcastle and Rangers subequent to that.
There are a few more but he's the first one that came to mind. I do agree with the general point though that you can't divorce the merit of the player from the cost of signing them completely.
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Mascherano was 'only' on £30k a week? No wonder his head was turned. The offer of £100k sounds like 'pool almost forgot to offer him a rise until it was too late.
Or that they buy those players their rivals had wanted in the first place. For example it was rumoured Chelsea only bought SWP to prevent him turning up at us. Or (ironically enough) City buying Robinho to prevent him going to Chelsea.
It's sad but I don't blame the majority of clubs for accepting stupidly high offers for a player, they're a business like any other which have to balance their books in a more traditional way. It's the players going there and not really having the foresight to predict what is obvious to everybody else. At the end of the day they too at the moment can still refuse to move.
For all the cash that City are splashing around atm they're really only trying to get into the Champion's League and the players they're getting reflects this. A lot of them for example are those already in it but are unwanted by their previous clubs. Like Adebayor, Tevez, Yaya Toure etc. Adebayor's going to be a massive example of what's going to happen. City will no doubt get a far superior striker within a year or so leaving the Togo player out in the cold.
Not really reported per se, but he's talked about the offer being too good to refuse. Think we can safely assume he's near a plane atm.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ossible-to-refuse-says-squillaci-2060572.html
Yeap three centre backs plus Alex Song (who's returned). Priority has to be a goal keeper.
I read somewhere yesterday that we were making a massive bid for Stekelenberg and a CB team mate. It'd be unlike us to really splash the figure quoted (£28m?!) though.
Or that they buy those players their rivals had wanted in the first place. For example it was rumoured Chelsea only bought SWP to prevent him turning up at us. Or (ironically enough) City buying Robinho to prevent him going to Chelsea.
It's sad but I don't blame the majority of clubs for accepting stupidly high offers for a player, they're a business like any other which have to balance their books in a more traditional way. It's the players going there and not really having the foresight to predict what is obvious to everybody else. At the end of the day they too at the moment can still refuse to move.
For all the cash that City are splashing around atm they're really only trying to get into the Champion's League and the players they're getting reflects this. A lot of them for example are those already in it but are unwanted by their previous clubs. Like Adebayor, Tevez, Yaya Toure etc. Adebayor's going to be a massive example of what's going to happen. City will no doubt get a far superior striker within a year or so leaving the Togo player out in the cold.
Not really reported per se, but he's talked about the offer being too good to refuse. Think we can safely assume he's near a plane atm.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ossible-to-refuse-says-squillaci-2060572.html
Yeap three centre backs plus Alex Song (who's returned). Priority has to be a goal keeper.
I read somewhere yesterday that we were making a massive bid for Stekelenberg and a CB team mate. It'd be unlike us to really splash the figure quoted (£28m?!) though.
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Errr what the ****?
What is Mourinho going on about...saying it's hard for teams to compete with Man City's money and that it isn't right... he did the same at Chelsea.
Where did he say that? I didn't see him saying it wasn't right.
Be interesting what happens with Arsenal's GK, if they want Schwarzer they'll have to bid more than the £2m they've bid twice...I reckon £3-4m will be accepted, especially if we find a replacement pretty quickly.
Three signings made this season (four if you include Greening), but one out for over 6 months...apparently another 'few' to come in. Hopefully one tonight/tomorrow, but very doubtful.
Three signings made this season (four if you include Greening), but one out for over 6 months...apparently another 'few' to come in. Hopefully one tonight/tomorrow, but very doubtful.
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I think Schwarzer isn't worth 4 million, and I don't think he is 4 million better than what we currently have. Someone like Stekelenburg who plays for a good national team would be ideal though. Is the Squillaci deal finalised?
Not cheap though, and no he probably isn't 'worth' £4m, but to us he is, contract plus the extra to allow him to leave.
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Yeah I am hoping Fulham put Wenger off and he goes for the dutch pair. Then we are sorted for the season.
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