** Official World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria Thread**
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i think their whole reasoning for removing those achievements is the fact that they really want people to get suckined into the lore in WOD and enjoy the levelling experience without feeling that they have to be a server first.
Got no problems with people wanting to do that after all its no different than those guilds racing for world firsts etc, they have been found in the past to exploit just as many glitches as anyone. Its all about providing an experience to all types of players, at the end of the day all blizz care about are your subs hence why they allow multiboxing and botters to continue
Got no problems with people wanting to do that after all its no different than those guilds racing for world firsts etc, they have been found in the past to exploit just as many glitches as anyone. Its all about providing an experience to all types of players, at the end of the day all blizz care about are your subs hence why they allow multiboxing and botters to continue
The vast majority of personal achievements are pointless, a guy I used to raid with has Realm First: Zen Master Miner (600 Mining). Which is pretty pointless however realm first raid achievements I think are cool
Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but a lot of people do care. How you can't see the prestige appeal in these realm first achievements is baffling.
Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but a lot of people do care. How you can't see the prestige appeal in these realm first achievements is baffling.
We're aiming for some Realm First raid achievements in 6.0
Maybe it's not your cup of tea, but a lot of people do care. How you can't see the prestige appeal in these realm first achievements is baffling.
Prestige? Hah, there's no prestige to being the person with the most spare time to sit at the game.
That's my problem with them - there's absolutely no skill involved in getting such an achievement.
Had a weird experience earlier on this game. Levelled alchemy and herbalism to 600 in a day on my rogue (yeah, took ages...) and when I started selling flasks that I made, I was greeted with whispers from a few other players who sell them, all wanting me to remove them from sale as they don't like people undercutting them. My flasks are an entire 1 copper cheaper than the next, as my auctioneer is set to do that automatically. Quite surprised that theres such an organised price fixing racket going on in a computer game!
What about all the hours of theorycrafting that go into figuring out the fastest way to level? Thinking about how you can shave valuable seconds off your dungeon/questing speeds? What group composition am I going to use? Time researching the fastest ways playing the BETA? From experience, I can tell you that it is not just a case of: "sit down for 12 hours at launch and spam quests kthnx"
You might argue that it's time that is to be invested, but you could argue that about anything, realm first kills for example.
By your logic, none of the feats of strength that require time to be put into them carry any prestige...
We're aiming for some Realm First raid achievements in 6.0
Nice, I hope you get them, they are very rewarding. We killed HCLK25 man pre-nerf as server 3rd after a solid 3 months of summer girding and it sure as hell felt like a server first. Nerdscreams were epic.
The theory crafting behind rounding up large amounts of mobs and AOE'ing them down?
Righto.
The person who gets the realm first level cap achievement is the one who spends the most time killing mobs the most efficiently. Basically spending a week being a bot. Why does that carry any prestige? It could be done by anyone who simply has the time to kill.
Righto.
The person who gets the realm first level cap achievement is the one who spends the most time killing mobs the most efficiently. Basically spending a week being a bot. Why does that carry any prestige? It could be done by anyone who simply has the time to kill.
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Think its quite common, im an agressive undercutter on the AH esp at the start of an expansion.
Ill often farm up tons of ores/herbs etc and when i list them get some whispers about my prices. I just reply saying you dont like the prices, buy em up and relist
Its always a good way to shift lots of stuff quickly.
Gold isnt valuable in wow anymore since its all vanity stuff to buy with it and without doing cutting edge raiding theres no way im using BMAH or buying raid gear etc. So i have fun undercutting.
Most of the guys who dominated AH economies were the ones freaking out when connected realms were emerging as they had cornered their own market for ages.
I always use sites like Undermine Journal to get an idea of whats selling well on realms and then go undercut
passes some time in a pre expansion lull 
Nope, no prestige there from me either.
Is there a particular reason you need other people to validate you?
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to me theres no prestige in achievements at all as they only represent a time investment. That doesnt require skill, it requires paitence.
The reason more people dont have those achievements is purely due to the amount of time they take to do rather than the skill cap required to obtain them.
Again i dont mind the inclusion of achievements as it gives people who like them something to work on but dont pretend they are some sort of badge of honor, i would say just as many people look at "the exalted" "the insane" "loremaster" and then go look up the achievement to see what the people have to do to obtain them, and see its purely an amount of time invested.
Id have more sympathy for "the insane" (especially in its original form) than i would have a pat on the pack.
The reason more people dont have those achievements is purely due to the amount of time they take to do rather than the skill cap required to obtain them.
Again i dont mind the inclusion of achievements as it gives people who like them something to work on but dont pretend they are some sort of badge of honor, i would say just as many people look at "the exalted" "the insane" "loremaster" and then go look up the achievement to see what the people have to do to obtain them, and see its purely an amount of time invested.
Id have more sympathy for "the insane" (especially in its original form) than i would have a pat on the pack.
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E-peen? Why else?
It's not about needing to be validated by others, but about being able to show-off the time and effort you've put into your achievements. I know if I saw someone with that title back in the day I immediately had respect for them, and I'd wager a lot of money to say that I wouldn't be the only one.
It's not about needing to be validated by others, but about being able to show-off the time and effort you've put into your achievements. I know if I saw someone with that title back in the day I immediately had respect for them, and I'd wager a lot of money to say that I wouldn't be the only one.
You're attitude stinks.
Respect? What for? It's a game at the end of the day, and an achievement that requires a silly time sink at the initial stage to get, and even then you might well get beaten by someone who has just brought more people to grind with.
I've spent the last year working on the "Long, Strange Journey" achievement - it's taken a while to do, but do I think people will care? No - not at all. It just requires the person in question to put in a decent amount of effort every so often for a week. Same as "The Insane", "Loremaster", and a lot of others.
FTFY.
If you want me to be impressed with your achievements, go for some of the ones that reward skill.
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Is it me or are we going round in circles here?
Like...? I've just been through ALL of my old toon's FoS' and you can argue each one of them can be earned by investing time, even raiding related ones you can either be carried through or the content gets nerfed within weeks of release. So why would you be impressed by that?
Back to the original point, though:
A lot of people. Are you telling me that you have never once looked at someones title/mount/weapons and though, oh they're cool, he must have worked hard for them. Or is it always "LOL WHAT A NO LIFE FAG" that is a the forefront of your mind?
Is it me or are we going round in circles here?
Well, yes. I don't understand why you care if I care or not.
Some of the PvP ones are impressive. Sure, you can get good at PvP by investing time, but I have and I'm still shocking at it, so it's not an exact art. There's certainly a degree of skill to it.
Also on my server I'm slightly impressed when I see a guild doing well at 25 man heroic, simply because so many guilds seem to get that far and just go for 10 man "as it's easier".
Honestly, I'm trying to think of a time when title impressed me, and I really can't. Same with mounts, although TLPD makes me stop and give a wicked grin. Weapons - well some of the legendaries were semi-impressive at the time but I can't say they've ever carried any prestige for me.
I mean come on Fuggan, at the end of it all, do you really care what anyone else thinks? As long as you have fun playing the game, who does actually care about it all?
I'm shocked it's gotten this far really, I assumed that the people that got the xx level first achievements didn't expect others to be impressed this much.