OLED .....not yet guys !
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it's superior by quite a long way, you need to do your research..... even the Samsung SUHD ue65js9000 is better than the Panny VT
everyone on AV Forms who has switched to the LG OLED sais it's far superior and they're experts, the other reviews aren't wrong either...............i was shocked too !!............the 4K version is easily the best tv in the world
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no, i saw the OLED yesterday and it was way better than my Panny plasma, it just blows it to pieces in every way....the reviews say the same.
it's all over the web as the best tv in the world and they cant be wrong, just look at the Youtube vids, the only plasma worth having is a brand new GT 65'' from Japan, but not that one on ebay right now for 2000 quid, it's a refurbished tv, i wouldn't touch it with a 10ft bargepole..........esp when in january he had another one that was broken and the buyer refused to take it... it's the same damned tv and when i asked him about it he told me to clear off !!!
there's lots of snobbery around with regards to the Panny plasma/Kuro....... but its era is over
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no i saw two OLEDs in different shops, they were way better than mine and they weren't even set up correctly, but i did notice Juddering which can be corrected to an extent, but my Panny has quite a few faults too
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not someone.......... WHAT THEY ALL SAY !
I had the VT60 for about two weeks and it was stunning with buttery smooth motion. I gave up on the 55EC930V after a couple of days as the motion for me was horrid. The contrast and wow factor on the OLED are like nothing else but it to me feels like LG made too many cut backs on the processing to bring the price down.
This is why I'm waiting now as an OLED with the processing of the VT60 would be the perfect TV in my opinion.
This is why I'm waiting now as an OLED with the processing of the VT60 would be the perfect TV in my opinion.
yea i cant say i'm totally happy with the OLED, in many ways i prefer the samsung ue65js9000... it wont look quite as stunning but it still gets great reviews...... this is probably the only LED worth having.
i'm suspicious of a few things with the LG OLED :-
1...........LG has always been nowhere near as good as Panasonic
2...........this motion judder.
3...........it's too small
4...........LG isn't as good as Samsung
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OLED demos are nice, but the reality is very different and requires a lot of fiddling, even then it can be quite hit and miss - judder anyone?
The VT and ZT are both superior in many ways, the ST is the budget option and doesn't cut it, nor was it intended to. Still a fine set.
You have been all over the place on this thread and other ones for that matter, don't take someone elses forum post and make it your own or as fact.
I know nothing about watercooling, if i read some threads on it, I will have a basic understanding, but ultimately I will still know nothing - I wouldn't start telling people what's the best and so on - i'm sure you can see the point here.
The VT and ZT are both superior in many ways, the ST is the budget option and doesn't cut it, nor was it intended to. Still a fine set.
You have been all over the place on this thread and other ones for that matter, don't take someone elses forum post and make it your own or as fact.
I know nothing about watercooling, if i read some threads on it, I will have a basic understanding, but ultimately I will still know nothing - I wouldn't start telling people what's the best and so on - i'm sure you can see the point here.
no you're in a minority, nearly everyone rates the OLED higher, i've even read reviews comparing the two and OLED still wins.... even more so with this new 4K model out soon.
if one was to be totally neutral you'd say both are about the same but only if you had the ZT60, but this is in comparison to the 1080p OLED, because the brand new 4K OLED is a fair bit better..........but i must admit that fast motion does seem a problem, but i expect you can semi resolve it and get used to it.............. but then again, it's not mentioned as a huge problem on AV Forums because i've been trying to research it all afternoon
a brand new GT 65'' costs £3000 to import from Global Rakutan......but it's only the 50 series
http://www.rakuten.com/prod/panasonic-viera-tc-p65gt50-65-3d-plasma-hdtv-1080p-600hz/228474905.html
but thanks to Ebay all of this is a confusing mess, so i'll probably get the 55'' OLED from Currys and keep the ST just in case .... it doesn't matter where you get the OLED from because at least Currys is safe !!!!!!!!!!!
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http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/55eg960v-201504224046.htm
Doesn't seem as cut an dry with HDTVTest. I don't doubt within a coupe of generations it will clearly be superior but picture quality covers a wide range of things and it seems it's not entirely there YET.
Doesn't seem as cut an dry with HDTVTest. I don't doubt within a coupe of generations it will clearly be superior but picture quality covers a wide range of things and it seems it's not entirely there YET.
yes but it's a very close call, because colour inaccuracy......uniformity is something you'll adapt to, unlike some of the faults with my Plasma 
............i.e just for starters, it would take 2 weeks of no gaming at all to clean up my screen
the worrying thing is of course judderly motion and the Soap opera effect alternative to cure it.
the other worrying thing is the Blacks... it is too black, you never see black in daytime it's always dark grey......or blue purple, pure black makes the colours stand out and is a perfect contrast to them but it's wrong in nature.........black is caused by the non existence of light.............. it's fine in on screen graphics menus etc but looks wrong in a nature Documentary..
this last bit is just a small complaint, but the Panny plasma definitely has these blacks far better....... the OLED needs its blacks backed off slightly.
i dont think any of this is a deal breaker at all......... only if the juddering is bad
............i.e just for starters, it would take 2 weeks of no gaming at all to clean up my screen the worrying thing is of course judderly motion and the Soap opera effect alternative to cure it.
the other worrying thing is the Blacks... it is too black, you never see black in daytime it's always dark grey......or blue purple, pure black makes the colours stand out and is a perfect contrast to them but it's wrong in nature.........black is caused by the non existence of light.............. it's fine in on screen graphics menus etc but looks wrong in a nature Documentary..
this last bit is just a small complaint, but the Panny plasma definitely has these blacks far better....... the OLED needs its blacks backed off slightly.
i dont think any of this is a deal breaker at all......... only if the juddering is bad
every single query that you ask them about their tvs on Ebay comes back either wrong or a dodged reply........... it's so bloody bad.
we complain about Currys........ you've got to be joking, they're brilliant compared to these clowns............ the best reply so far is an Indian``Cash and Carry`` guy in Manchester........thank God i'm working all weekend
we complain about Currys........ you've got to be joking, they're brilliant compared to these clowns............ the best reply so far is an Indian``Cash and Carry`` guy in Manchester........thank God i'm working all weekend
Heh, reading Mal X's posts really is something. I'm assuming he's a teenager? His posts read like one even if he is not. However, he knows nothing about this. If he did, he would be reading what the ISF guys have commented and calibrated with extensive work on the sets. From the likes of Kevin Miller, DeWayne Davis, Dr. Larry Weber and David Mackenzie.
Yes, they have commented on how great the contrast ratio is but they have listed lots of issues with these OLED sets.
Theres vignetting near black and black crush problems. Some have vertical banding colour issues on the side of the screens (some showing green or magenta at 50% grey) and the majority have CMS issues. More so cyan. They've listed extensive reports about them on AVS.
Biggest problem the motion that nobody has missed so far as its been pointed out here on several threads.
4k OLED sounds fun for the future where HDMI 2.0 is pretty much screwed.
``Compared to the best plasmas, namely the Pioneer Elite Kuro and the Panasonic VT/ZT60, the EA9800 is significantly superior in most areas, especially smoothness and clarity. Contrast is superior also, with the EA9800 maintaining that contrast even in dark movie scenes. It's greater light output capability means that, provided reflections are minimized, the EA9800 will look punchier and more exciting in rooms with moderately bright ambient light. Color accuracy is very good, though this is one area where the EA9800's measured performance could not quite match that of the reference plasmas. Thankfully, any measured color accuracy deficiencies were so minor that they were not visible with normal programming, which always had beautiful color in ISF Night mode. In comparison with arguably the best LED LCD, the Sharp Elite, the EA9800 displays visibly better color, no blooming around white objects, and better purity in moving white objects such as hockey rinks. In short, the EA9800 is the best of the best, handily surpassing previous reference displays.``
these posts are all over the internet.... the OLED might have faults but the ones you've mentioned wont be noticed by most people and PLASMAS have quite a few faults too.....many more than the few you've mentioned here with the OLED.
because if the image had these faults (that were noticeable), it would be mentioned often..........but it isn't at all, so this sais everything, its only fault is the juddering, but this can be reduced quite lot, it is also fair to comment that there's quite a few owners that havent mention the juddering.
OLED is for right now, not in the future.
be careful of these Calibrators, because most of these faults you cant detect..... but the juddering yes and unfortunately the only way to find out is to buy the tv.
let me clarify that......... the only way to find out what the OLED is like is to buy it next week from Currys, because it can always be sent back
these posts are all over the internet.... the OLED might have faults but the ones you've mentioned wont be noticed by most people and PLASMAS have quite a few faults too.....many more than the few you've mentioned here with the OLED.
because if the image had these faults (that were noticeable), it would be mentioned often..........but it isn't at all, so this sais everything, its only fault is the juddering, but this can be reduced quite lot, it is also fair to comment that there's quite a few owners that havent mention the juddering.
OLED is for right now, not in the future.
be careful of these Calibrators, because most of these faults you cant detect..... but the juddering yes and unfortunately the only way to find out is to buy the tv.
let me clarify that......... the only way to find out what the OLED is like is to buy it next week from Currys, because it can always be sent back
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The CMS doesn't need to be used to get a reference picture during calibration on 99% of sets, once the greyscale is set correctly the colours fall into place( which shows on my colour chart I posted.
The reason the motion is like it is(LCD like) is because the sets use sample and hold to refresh the picture, the only other way to refresh the picture is to use impulse driving like plasmas but that brings things like DFC( dynamic false contouring) posterising and that thing that everyone hated with plasma 50 Htz FLICKER, once LG use BFI( black frame insertion) that will sort all the so called motion problems out, remember though our eyes and brain adjust to things like this and motion judder that you see now in a few weeks your brain and eyes will chose not to see.
The black crush is because people are using the wrong black setting, they are using low black level and brightness at about 56, what solves that is a black level set to high and brightness at around 36
vignetting I can honesty say I have seen it once(in real life) yes if you display a 5% IRE then you can see it all the time but in normal vewing it's not a problem.
Remember guys it took pioneer 8gens to get it right with plasma and Panasonic took 14gens to get it right and LCD has never been right. This is the 3rd gen of OLED and LG ( not classed as an upmarket or even a good company) are almost there! That in its self for me tells me how good this tech is, and I'm going to put a prediction out here LCD will be dead within 5 years just like plasma is now.
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Just been to take a look at the LG in Currys.
At first I was blown away by it. Sat next to an LCD the increase in blacks was like night and day (literally!). They had a trailer Fast & Furious playing and I did notice the judder a couple of times, but as it was a fast cut trailer it was difficult to say if it would be enough to put me off completely.
After watching a while the blacks did look crushed, but as this is a Currys setup its hard to know if that's a feature or just the setup.
The only sets that got close on picture quality were an LG 65" at £3700 and the Panasonic 902.
Overall, if there was a sensibly priced 65" OLED I'd go for it, but as it stands I *think* I'm still set on a 65" LCD, probably the Panasonic TX65AX902B as to me size beats outright image quality for cinematic experience.
At first I was blown away by it. Sat next to an LCD the increase in blacks was like night and day (literally!). They had a trailer Fast & Furious playing and I did notice the judder a couple of times, but as it was a fast cut trailer it was difficult to say if it would be enough to put me off completely.
After watching a while the blacks did look crushed, but as this is a Currys setup its hard to know if that's a feature or just the setup.
The only sets that got close on picture quality were an LG 65" at £3700 and the Panasonic 902.
Overall, if there was a sensibly priced 65" OLED I'd go for it, but as it stands I *think* I'm still set on a 65" LCD, probably the Panasonic TX65AX902B as to me size beats outright image quality for cinematic experience.