Ole's sacked, who next?

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The main concern with Conte is that he is abrasive and short-termist. Outside of that hes obviously a great manager. I just think that hes a risk because abrasive managers only work under the right conditions and I have no idea if going from a yes man noodle like Ole to someone who won't suffer idiots is a good plan. If the players have any pride or professionalism they will get on board with the new manager even if its hard work but I'm not convinced the modern footballer has that in spades.

Regarding Ole playing youth, thats largely BS. Who has he promoted to the first team. Rashford has been doing the business since before Ole came on the scene and Greenwood wasn't some rough diamond Ole has polished to perfection. If anything, his lack of system and ideology has lead to so many players struggling. You can see how Liverpool can bring youth players in with ease because they aren't coming into a mess. They aren't coming in and being told to just get on with it. Players need structure and thats even more important when they are young.

United should have been looking at Oles replacement for god knows how long low but obviously they haven't. Firstly because they are completely inept and secondly they somehow believed that Ole was the future and gave him a new damned contract.

Whatever happens I have every faith in the United high ups ******* it up. If Conte came in he would butt heads with Pogba and Ronaldo and inevitably that would cause issues with the management who would take their marketable assets side.
 
Mekrel said:
Look at Greenwood's heat map for the EPL this season, he's playing extremely wide but isn't creating anything from out there.

So he's not in and around the opposition box like an attacking wide player should be, but he's also not assisting anything from out wide. As I said, not saying he's a bad player but he isn't doing what we need in a wide role in the current set up. Not saying he's the reason for our issues, there's plenty of other areas attributing to our poor results but it's a good example in my opinion.
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This is the sort of thing a good manager would sort out. Youth players usually get game time at big clubs through raw talent. The manager and his coaching staffs job is to teach them the subtleties of the game. Greenwood has a great cross on him, a great shot and he likes to beat a man. With the right manager he would be tearing it up. If you put Salah in this current United team he would look bang average. Salah isn't being asked to run from 20 yards outside the box and beat 3 guys to bang in a worldie. If you watch him vs United he is just uber effective because the team moves so nicely in attacking phases.

I think people sometimes underestimate just how damned hard it is to excel in a team like United. Your main ways to contribute are to either do something special on your own against a team that has been allowed to saunter back at snails pace and has most of their team behind the ball or you play a low percentage ball to someone else who does the same. Someone like Sancho is a prime example of this. At Liverpool they would love him. Pass and move.

Oh and Fernandes 100% would run through walls if you tell him to. At times last season he was basically a 1 man press. He has bags of energy and will do as hes told. Any manager would love to have him.
 
The press are now saying he's likely to remain in charge but it's a 'delicate situation'.

Over the past 24 hours we've had articles from everywhere saying the players don't rate him, his own staff don't rate him, and the board probably want to replace him but can't agree on Conte at the moment. There's absolutely no way back.

What a joke.
 
That really just means they're working behind the scenes on the next move. It still makes sense to wait for the international break to change managers. The other option is having one of the coaching staff stand in for a few games but not sure what that would achieve.
 
Shamikebab said:
That really just means they're working behind the scenes on the next move. It still makes sense to wait for the international break to change managers. The other option is having one of the coaching staff stand in for a few games but not sure what that would achieve.
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I think the latter would make sense, Ole is visibly struggling and the stress can't be good for him. Phelan for a couple of weeks would be fine, people don't tend to have expectations of caretaker managers.

I doubt the board will want to wait until the end of the season, we're still quite close to the start of this season after all. Which to me, makes Conte more likely, and the international break would provide a good opportunity to get him in.
 
The only one that's expressed any positive rumblings of accepting the job is Conte right? Various journalists have said Conte would accept, opposite with Zidane as I've seen he doesn't want it. I've also seen the likes of Rodgers not wanting it.

If it is Conte is it not concerning to the man utd fans here that it's another short term appointment? Another manager that will want to throw down 500 odd million on making his team? Making Conte your manager for me just shows there's zero planning for the future.
 
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The only one that's expressed any positive rumblings of accepting the job is Conte right? Various journalists have said Conte would accept, opposite with Zidane as I've seen he doesn't want it. I've also seen the likes of Rodgers not wanting it.

If it is Conte is it not concerning to the man utd fans here that it's another short term appointment? Another manager that will want to throw down 500 odd million on making his team? Making Conte your manager for me just shows there's zero planning for the future.
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You can't just appoint a manager for the long term these days. You'd also need a proper structure at the club, which we don't have.

So on balance, appointing the best manager we can get and supporting him in the market (as they have done with Ole) makes the most sense. There's also no guarantee he would have to be a short term appointment, it may go well - although I wouldn't trust our board with any manager really.

Having a long term attacking manager is a romanticised view, in reality it would be extremely difficult to put into practice in the modern game. Pep and Klopp are the obvious examples, but very much the exception to the rule.
 
Romano said Zidane would be interested. I haven't seen anything even linking us with Rodgers and I don't really see the appeal of him. The thing that has made Leicester rise in the league is their outstanding recruitment rather than anything particularly special from Rodgers.

I'm interested in Ten Haag but I admit that is more the appeal of the unknown rather than what we know from Conte that doesn't fit.
 
Conte is an stark contrast from the football United have been used to under Ferguson and the kamikaze football OLE has them playing.
Could it bit be time for change though? The search for a 'perfect fit' is a long arduous task that may bring even more years of from trophyless seasons.

Everyone seems to hate the Mourinho period but he got two trophies with arguably a worse squad. I know fans talk about the mood being better around the club but it's also a trophyless mood.

Even if his tenure would only be 2-3 years I think Conte is exactly what United need for the short term. Get Conte for that period of time then try and get Naglesman.
 
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Are they the masterminds?

Besides Woodward already announced he's leaving several months ago. End of the financial year I believe.
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No but a number of players need to be rid of (and that's happening to a degree). Completely forgot about Woodward, so that's a plus.

Utd seem to be paying huge amounts to young and average players, that's why I wondered (along with the mediocre performances since Fergie left) if the problem is systemic and so why it's not just the players who need reviewing.
 
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No but a number of players need to be rid of (and that's happening to a degree). Completely forgot about Woodward, so that's a plus.
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Phil Jones is literally the least of the problems with the club right now. The only option would be paying off his contract which doesn't really serve any purpose.
 
Shamikebab said:
Romano said Zidane would be interested. I haven't seen anything even linking us with Rodgers and I don't really see the appeal of him. The thing that has made Leicester rise in the league is their outstanding recruitment rather than anything particularly special from Rodgers.

I'm interested in Ten Haag but I admit that is more the appeal of the unknown rather than what we know from Conte that doesn't fit.
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Ten Hag is an interesting one, he's very much appeared as the hipster choice, I doubt many know an awful lot about him, I certainly don't.

Ajax, more than anywhere are a club with a clearly defined structure, we are nothing like that (despite the appointment of people like Darren Fletcher - oh dear).

That said he would be a very interesting and popular appointment, if it did happen.

JamesH85 said:
Conte is an stark contrast from the football United have been used to under Ferguson and the kamikaze football OLE has them playing.
Could it bit be time for change though? The search for a 'perfect fit' is a long arduous task that may bring even more years of from trophyless seasons.

Everyone seems to hate the Mourinho period but he got two trophies with arguably a worse squad. I know fans talk about the mood being better around the club but it's also a trophyless mood.

Even if his tenure would only be 2-3 years I think Conte is exactly what United need for the short term. Get Conte for that period of time then try and get Naglesman.
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Conte brings everything Ole doesn't. Discipline, structure, a defined style, and he's actually achieved impressive things. He's not some park the bus merchant either, that's a myth. He's also in his managerial prime compared to when we got Jose.

Despite people saying otherwise, he usually leaves teams in a better state than when he found them. He turned Juventus around, and they won consistent titles until he became the Inter manager and won the league ahead of them.

The main parallel being drawn is Chelsea - not an easy job and nobody ever lasts long there, but he still won the league.

Nothing is ever simple in football but I'm confident we could do a lot worse, and there's not exactly loads of choice at the moment.
 
C Kent said:
The past day or so there have been multiple stories with Zidane distancing himself from the man u job?
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In the past few days there have been stories that Ole is gone, that hes being given time, that they haven't made a decision, that Zidane is interested, that hes not, that he hasn't been approached. I wouldn't read anything into anything right now. No one knows and its all just for the clicks.
 
Ole being sacked is more wishful thinking than anything and usually started by 'itks' with a couple of Twitter followers. Conte interested/Zidane not us usually from more respected individuals which is why journalists run with them in stories.

I agree not much is know atm, but it does appear ole is safe for now.

As an outsider/fan of another team Conte has the high possibility of producing just as much drama as Mourinho as he falls out with everybody and doesn't take any interference in his team from people associated with the club - a big problem at man u currently.

Feel free to Google Shami there's a ton of articles.
 
Shamikebab said:
I haven't seen anyone reliable saying Zidane is not interested but feel free to share if you have.
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I never said "reliable" ;)

Honestly the only reliable ones are the ones that tell you something is happening about 10 minutes before its announced. Everyone else throws **** against the wall and sees what sticks.
 
C Kent said:
Ole being sacked is more wishful thinking than anything and usually started by 'itks' with a couple of Twitter followers. Conte interested/Zidane not us usually from more respected individuals which is why journalists run with them in stories.

I agree not much is know atm, but it does appear ole is safe for now.

As an outsider/fan of another team Conte has the high possibility of producing just as much drama as Mourinho as he falls out with everybody and doesn't take any interference in his team from people associated with the club - a big problem at man u currently.

Feel free to Google Shami there's a ton of articles.
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Well you said you'd read them :confused:

I googled and found a bunch of sites I've never heard of so it just sounds like clickbait to me. If you have read something reliable then share it. Also multiple journalists are talking about Ole's future being in question by the hierarchy, not twitter people. Ducker, Hirst, Stone for example.
 
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