Oscar Pistorius thread

I don't usually lock the bathroom door...

But I don't often go to the toilet at night in the DARK without turning a light on, unless im mega wasted from the night and then I stand and aim anyway.

In a pitchblack room, would a woman lock herself in the bathroom and not turn the light on? I don't see it.
 
fez said:
Have you told the court that you are quite sure there is no evidence of death threats because I am sure they would want to know.
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Twas you that mentioned them as fact first and me who asked how you know. Nice attempt at completely switching the argument to make it look as I'm the one making definitive claims though.
 
atpbx said:
His explanation as to the events on the night is complete drivel.

A total fantasy.
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How can you come to such a definitive conclusion?

Dannyb01y said:
I don't know what to make of it all really. I cant fathom the not bothering to check where his girlfriend was when he was so worried about such an immanent danger.
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If he already believed she was in bed there would be no reason to check.
 
I think people seem to be overlooking the fact that the police indicated there was evidence of heavy drinking.

Anything could have happened.

Can you imagine coming round after blacking out drunk to a situation like this?
 
We one thing will be interesting the prosecution are saying he put his legs on and walked to the bathroom and killed her, he's saying he didn't have his legs on when he shot through the door.

The trajectory of the bullets through the door and through the body I would have thought will be able to prove who is telling the truth.
 
Jambo said:
What difference does it make if he opened the door with his legs, arms or cricket bat?
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Makes a lot of difference when I stated he kicked the door in because that's what his statement says, which you then challenged saying he used a bat :confused:

My point being I don't believe his version of events, he says he was scared because he didn't have his legs on and felt vulnerable, then in pretty much the next sentence says how he kicked the door down, now correct me if I'm wrong but putting prosthetic legs on while your girlfriend is bleeding to death because you have just shot her is the last thing I would think about, how about ringing an ambulance first?

Not hang on, I'll get me legs on and kick the door in first, see if she's ok.

fez said:
Thats completely ignoring what you said. You tried to claim that he is talking rubbish because why would he try to get into the bathroom instead of trying to help his gf.

I merely pointed out, that the two were the same thing. His gf was behind the door ergo to help her, he needed to get behind the door. Thats when he kicked or battered his door down to get in.

Also, when was the last time you saw someone break a door down with their arm instead of legs. Also, his prosthetics are not made of plastic, also, its pretty unlikely they are massively useful for kicking doors down. All of which might lead him to find something else to help him. Something like a cricket bat.

We literally know nothing as fact at the moment and for every conclusion you make from a completely ambiguous report from the media, I can make a better case for his innocence.

I have no idea what the outcome of this trial will be but you seem to be taking any action he made as those of a guilty man without even considering other explanations.

The guy has been dating her for less that 6 months, not married, he lives in south africa and has received death threats, he wears prosthetics and was woken in the middle of the night.

Why would he murder a woman he could simply break up with at no expense. I can't see a motive that would explain this but I am still not going to try and say that he is guilty or innocent at this stage.
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Great!

I don't really care for any of that and you seem to have gone off on a tangent for nothing :confused:

Ambiguous report form the media? It was his statement!

Doesn't add up for me unless he strap on some legs in seconds, and if that's the case he should have whacked them on when he thought there was a burglar having a **** in a locked bathroom.

The last time I saw someone break a door down they shouldered it, what's your point? I think your point is why would he use his body strength to break a door down where his girlfriend is probably dying! You're right, he would get his legs on first, definitely the first thing you would do in that situation :rolleyes:

My point still stands, I don't believe his version of events, he contradicts himself in a brief statement he made, whether you can back that up is of no concern unless you're harking for the defence lawyers job?
 
King Damager said:
Uhm, no.
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Um yes. If all celebrities get death threats (not my claim btw) then they can't then use that as a 'defense' for being scared and shooting their girlfriend. If a few get them and they are then attacked it becomes a brilliant defense, otherwise it just sounds like one of the things you have to deal with a a famous person (like constantly having to sign autographs or being papped on a beach when you're on holiday).

How many celebrities are murdered or attacked by people who've sent them death threats relative to their number? Very few if any. So if all celebrities are receiving death threats and we know almost none of them are carried out, I don't think "he was getting death threats" is the strongest argument against why he should be thinking more rationally.
 
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I'd say that a lot depends on what kind of prosthesis he uses for general walking about. Some just slot in, while others are the type that requires sock type things, even if that is the case he may well sleep with those on, so he can just then attach the legs.

Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that for somebody who has used prosthesis' his entire life, putting on his legs is likely to take not much more time than putting on a pair of shoes, especially if he was in a rush.

You can see plenty of videos on YouTube of what is involved in putting on a prosthetic leg.
 
Nexus said:
I'd say that a lot depends on what kind of prosthesis he uses for general walking about. Some just slot in, while others are the type that requires sock type things, even if that is the case he may well sleep with those on, so he can just then attach the legs.

Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that for somebody who has used prosthesis' his entire life, putting on his legs is likely to take not much more time than putting on a pair of shoes, especially if he was in a rush.

You can see plenty of videos on YouTube of what is involved in putting on a prosthetic leg.
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That's kind of my point though, you can't use the fact that your disabled and portray you were scared which is why you opened fire, to then say well I then put my legs on real quick so I could kick the door down to save her.

They are either really easy to put on quickly to say kick a door down because your girlfriend is bleeding to death or they're not that easy to put on which made you feel vulnerable enough to open fire at a closed door not knowing who's behind it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out the flaws in his thinking.
 
His story is complete nonsense and he is just trying to avoid being charged with murder. Look at the scenario he's described and it's clearly an impossible scenario:
1. Whilst walking around at night (for whatever reason), he attempts to enter his bathroom, the door of which is closed.
2. He discovers it's locked by turning the door handle. At this point, anyone inside would have said something like "Sorry, will be out in minute", or "Just having a wee". Whatever, something. It's very unlikely they would be silent. An expected response would be for him to have apologised and walked away.
3. Next a normal thought process would be, "oh no response, maybe the gf has fallen asleep in there or even feinted. But wasn't she in bed? Let me go check since if she's feinted in there or had some kind of stroke I need to get help.".

There is no way in hell he would go straight for a gun and silently shoot through the door. If he believed there was an intruder in there, he would have immediately wanted to get to his girlfriend, since in South Africa they do home invasions by a whole gang, not individuals. The idea that he would go and get a gun without shouting anything to his girlfriend is absurd. And what kind of person would just shoot a person through a door without even knowing if they are armed? He would have just called the police and kept the gun trained on the door if he wasn't a complete psycho.
 
G|mp said:
Makes a lot of difference when I stated he kicked the door in because that's what his statement says, which you then challenged saying he used a bat :confused:

My point being I don't believe his version of events, he says he was scared because he didn't have his legs on and felt vulnerable, then in pretty much the next sentence says how he kicked the door down, now correct me if I'm wrong but putting prosthetic legs on while your girlfriend is bleeding to death because you have just shot her is the last thing I would think about, how about ringing an ambulance first?

Not hang on, I'll get me legs on and kick the door in first, see if she's ok.
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Well I'm not sure where you are reading your information but the full affidavit states that he heard an intruder, went to the bathroom which I read elsewhere is 7 metres away from the bedroom. He heard noises in the toilet which is a separate cubicle in the bathroom and thinking he was in danger shot through the door. He then went back to the bedroom for Reeva and realised she wasn't there and it must have been her in the bathroom. He went back, found the door was locked and then went back to get his legs to try and kick it open. He failed, got a cricket bat which ended up breaking parts of the door and the key fell on the floor which then used to open it.

All seems plausible to me.

You can read his affidavit in full here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/19/world/africa/south-africa-pistorius-affadavit/index.html

FutileBreadMachine said:
His story is complete nonsense and he is just trying to avoid being charged with murder. Look at the scenario he's described and it's clearly an impossible scenario:
1. Whilst walking around at night (for whatever reason), he attempts to enter his bathroom, the door of which is closed.
2. He discovers it's locked by turning the door handle. At this point, anyone inside would have said something like "Sorry, will be out in minute", or "Just having a wee". Whatever, something. It's very unlikely they would be silent. An expected response would be for him to have apologised and walked away.
3. Next a normal thought process would be, "oh no response, maybe the gf has fallen asleep in there or even feinted. But wasn't she in bed? Let me go check since if she's feinted in there or had some kind of stroke I need to get help.".

There is no way in hell he would go straight for a gun and silently shoot through the door. If he believed there was an intruder in there, he would have immediately wanted to get to his girlfriend, since in South Africa they do home invasions by a whole gang, not individuals. The idea that he would go and get a gun without shouting anything to his girlfriend is absurd. And what kind of person would just shoot a person through a door without even knowing if they are armed? He would have just called the police and kept the gun trained on the door if he wasn't a complete psycho.
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Did you just make up points 1-3 because it doesn't look like the scenario he described at all? :confused:
 
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