Oscar Pistorius thread
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Soldato
I'm still stunned at the speed at which the courts acted.
Soldato
In his statement he says he was scared because he could not escape as the bedroom door was locked, yet that is the only time it is mentioned. Yet elsewhere he seems to have entered the bedroom to get the gun.
I don't know why he shot her, but it's clear he did and his excuse is lame and his story doesn't add up.
I don't know why he shot her, but it's clear he did and his excuse is lame and his story doesn't add up.
It was an ensuite just off the bedroom, with a separate small toilet cubicle. If you read his affidavit it actually covers some of the holes in the story I had - when he put his legs on/use of the bat/what he was doing.
So far his point of view certainly covers more details than the prosecutions "he put on his legs, walked over and shot her"...
If you'll excuse the expression, theres legs in this one yet. (hoho)
The Daily Mail now has photographs of the inside of the bathroom and a basic layout:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fatally-wounded-Pistorius-fired-gun-door.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fatally-wounded-Pistorius-fired-gun-door.html
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Caporegime
Ah yes, the good ol' sympathy vote eh Oscar?
"I didn't have my legs on so felt vulnerable"
Ah well then, get the gun out.
"I didn't have my legs on so felt vulnerable"
Ah well then, get the gun out.
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Soldato
SA != UK.
Associate
So what, you're birds not allowed to go to the bathroom without asking?
I wonder how tall his bed is. He's a lot taller than me (when he has his legs on) but if I knell next to mine, I still tower above it. Presumably you would get a low bed if you had his condition.
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Caporegime
Regardless, his story reeks of BS.
"I fought it wer a burglar guv honest"
Doesn't quite wash.
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Soldato
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Actually seeing that layout, I can understand where one might mistake an open window and a closed toilet door as a potential person hiding.
I don't think blasting is the first things you'd do, esp if your GF was meant to be in bed, and she wasn't there.
Check your target, thats basic.
I don't think blasting is the first things you'd do, esp if your GF was meant to be in bed, and she wasn't there.
Check your target, thats basic.
Soldato
I dont buy it. Who unloads without a +ve ID? Oh wait and he let rip through a CLOSED door too. Four rounds and three hit that poor girl (RIP).
Anyways this is just what I think, lets see what the forensics people/ judges say. I just hope celeb status does not get in the way of justice.
Anyways this is just what I think, lets see what the forensics people/ judges say. I just hope celeb status does not get in the way of justice.
Associate
His affidavit does sounds as though it could be plausible, though both versions of events can be equally likely, who knows. Hopefully they will be able to tell through forensics whether or not she was actually on the bog for the purposes of being on the bog or whether she was in fact hiding from him.
My Mrs gets up randomly in the night and goes for stealth wees and always leaves the bathroom door open and the light off so she doesn't 'wake herself up' too much. So I can kind of see how he might think she was still in bed if she snuck off for a stealth wee when he was on the balcony. Having said that though he went back to get his gun from under the bed and must have surely spotted that she wasn't in bed then?
Either way I think this case has a strong possibility of ending up with an incorrect outcome as it just seems so bizarre.
My Mrs gets up randomly in the night and goes for stealth wees and always leaves the bathroom door open and the light off so she doesn't 'wake herself up' too much. So I can kind of see how he might think she was still in bed if she snuck off for a stealth wee when he was on the balcony. Having said that though he went back to get his gun from under the bed and must have surely spotted that she wasn't in bed then?
Either way I think this case has a strong possibility of ending up with an incorrect outcome as it just seems so bizarre.
Soldato
I think regardless of if he thought it was a burglar or not, no matter whether he was scared or not. Pretty much anyone who heard a commotion from the bathroom would have said 'Is that you love?' Or some such phrase before they started firing a 9mm through the door!
Even if he waited until he'd got his gun before shouting out you'd surely shout out before shooting at which point his girlfriend would have said something and he wouldn't have shot?
Think his alibi needs more fleshing out before I could believe it. Willy nilly shooting through a door seems very far fetched unless his judgement was impaired by drink/drugs.
Even if he waited until he'd got his gun before shouting out you'd surely shout out before shooting at which point his girlfriend would have said something and he wouldn't have shot?
Think his alibi needs more fleshing out before I could believe it. Willy nilly shooting through a door seems very far fetched unless his judgement was impaired by drink/drugs.
If he was convinced she was in bed then his only conclusion could be that an intruder was in the toilet.
Soldato
This just sounds so ridiculous.
Soldato
Yes. But, given that he's woken up in the middle of the night, (ergo probably sleepy), in SA (ergo scared and on edge) it becomes more probable that he didn't really think at all and just acted on instinct.
kd
The prosecutions angle is explained here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/excerpts-prosecutors-case-oscar-pistorius
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/excerpts-prosecutors-case-oscar-pistorius
At face value it does and with the benefit of hindsight it does but if you really think about it I think it seems less so.
There are plenty of times in life where someone may enter a room and get a fright because they thought the room was empty and thought that person was in another room. And that is when people are fully awake and alert at daylight.
If he has got out of bed for a matter of seconds and she has quietly sloped off to the toilet in the dark then I can understand why he may have thought she was still there.
I don't really buy that. How many people have heard a noise in their house and went to investigate in fear, usually to be relieved it was nothing? It is natural to go and investigate and try to defend your family/girlfriend. I expect it is harder to understand about shooting the supposed intruder when you don't understand his environment or the culture of the country/city he lived in. But if you feel your life is in danger you're going to act instinctively.
Edit: Also say for example it was an intruder. Would he still be being tried for murder? Questionable but I bet in the eyes of the public he'd be a hero who had a lucky escape. I think it is possible he has just made a horrible mistake.
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