Oscar Pistorius thread

They are talking about Reeva's stomach contents now. Apparently Oscar said they went to bed at 10pm but the pathologist said there was an undigested meal that must have been eaten around 2 hours before her death. She died at 3am so a 1am meal time.
 
Flicked over to the news, caught the last few mins of Sky's trial coverage.

Noted with some horror that the bullets in his gun were "designed to cause maximum damage and internal injury, internal bleeding and maximum chance of fatality".

Does anyone think those kinds of munitions should be illegal? Frankly I hope he gets jail time just for being so inhumane that he'd consider that kind of munition to be a good idea. The bullet is designed to shred the victims body instead of passing through. Bear in mind that for most people, a bullet "passing through" will put you down, but at least give some chance of survival, depending on where you were shot.

It's downright sick in the head to have those kinds of bullets available to the public/anyone.
 
FoxEye said:
Flicked over to the news, caught the last few mins of Sky's trial coverage.

Noted with some horror that the bullets in his gun were "designed to cause maximum damage and internal injury, internal bleeding and maximum chance of fatality".

Does anyone think those kinds of munitions should be illegal? Frankly I hope he gets jail time just for being so inhumane that he'd consider that kind of munition to be a good idea. The bullet is designed to shred the victims body instead of passing through. Bear in mind that for most people, a bullet "passing through" will put you down, but at least give some chance of survival, depending on where you were shot.

It's downright sick in the head to have those kinds of bullets available to the public/anyone.
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Sounds like hollow points to me. Surely any bullet is going to cause severe damage and internal injury to someone being shot :D

If you're going to shoot someone, you're shooting to kill.
 
Just had a quick look, they were expanding "Black Talon" rounds. Grisly sounding, but not actually any more effective than other expanding munitions.

Apparently expanding rounds have been banned in warfare since 1899, because of the horrific entry and exit wounds they cause.

And yet they are legal for civilian use and standard issue for US law enforcement.
 
Jono8 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26541765

I am sorry but this is where his story comes apart. Why on earth would she have locked the door if she just got up in the middle of the night to got to the loo in her own home?
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I brought this up some time ago, when people were still rambling in the murderer's defence (they gave up now seeing how witness after witness confirm the prosecution version of the events). Apparently, people lock their bathroom door for no reason all the time. :rolleyes:
 
Zethor said:
I brought this up some time ago, when people were still rambling in the murderer's defence (they gave up now seeing how witness after witness confirm the prosecution version of the events). Apparently, people lock their bathroom door for no reason all the time. :rolleyes:
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I just don't see it. Not when you only live with your partner and it is the middle of the night and you know your other half is sleeping.
 
Jono8 said:
I just don't see it. Not when you only live with your partner and it is the middle of the night and you know your other half is sleeping.
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Well you'll have to "see it". People do lock their bathroom door in the middle of the night. I do it, and have done since I was a child. I only live with my wife, but it is out of habit that I do it, no matter what time of the day or night it is. Even if I'm the only one at home, I go to the loo and close and lock the door. Not because I think someone will break in and attack me, but because it is a habit. Simple.
 
1.) She may have been worried he was going to do something to her.
2.) It's a woman - and a lot of women lock the bathroom door anyway.
3.) It's S.A. - and if I lived there with my wife - she would probably lock every door behind her. ;)
 
molinari said:
Well you'll have to "see it". People do lock their bathroom door in the middle of the night. I do it, and have done since I was a child. I only live with my wife, but it is out of habit that I do it, no matter what time of the day or night it is. Even if I'm the only one at home, I go to the loo and close and lock the door. Not because I think someone will break in and attack me, but because it is a habit. Simple.
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I don't have to "see it". I think it casts a large amount of doubt on his version of events.
 
FoxEye said:
Just had a quick look, they were expanding "Black Talon" rounds. Grisly sounding, but not actually any more effective than other expanding munitions.

Apparently expanding rounds have been banned in warfare since 1899, because of the horrific entry and exit wounds they cause.

And yet they are legal for civilian use and standard issue for US law enforcement.
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The use of expanding ammunition by police is for public safety reasons as they dump all their energy (I.e kinetic) into the target rather than a potentially lethal bullet to pass though and hit someone else (although for the same reason hollow point or soft point bullets are required for shooting deer in this country, a larger hole tends to equal faster more humane death), I expect civilian use is for largely similar reasons. Also don't fool yourself into thinking FMJ rounds used in warfare are solely for humanitarian reasons, a bullet that does not kill outright is a logistical nightmare for the other side.

As for Pistorius IMO he's a scumbag, he did not need to shoot through the door he could have made sure no one left the toilet in relative safety, even if he feared for his life he had a much much much greater chance of killing the person on the other side of the door than they did of him judging by the room layout pictures. I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison.
 
FoxEye said:
Just had a quick look, they were expanding "Black Talon" rounds. Grisly sounding, but not actually any more effective than other expanding munitions.

Apparently expanding rounds have been banned in warfare since 1899, because of the horrific entry and exit wounds they cause.

And yet they are legal for civilian use and standard issue for US law enforcement.
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Law enforcement use expanding rounds because they usually stay inside the target, less likely to riccochet and hit a bystander.
 
FoxEye said:
Apparently expanding rounds have been banned in warfare since 1899, because of the horrific entry and exit wounds they cause.

And yet they are legal for civilian use and standard issue for US law enforcement.
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They are used in a civil setting because there is a low chance of a through-and-through.

FMJ that the military use are far more likely to go through the target, out the other side and risk hitting something or someone else. They are also more likely to ricochet, again risking that someone other than the target gets hit. This is considered to be a bad thing in civil use.

The reason that hollowpoints are banned in war is because weapons must not be designed to more injury than necessary, they must be intended to kill as cleanly as possible. Hollowpoints totally **** up your insides. It was agreed in the Hague Convention a long time ago (1899 and even then that built on a previous agreement)

Expanding bullets are illegal in the UK except for a few specific purposes (Deer hunting being the main one - expanding bullets are mandatory).
 
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