Oscar Pistorius thread
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I meant murdered.
Yes and like I said he is more of a target than the average citizen.
Going Rambo when you think there's an intruder in the house has nothing to do with guns though, people do stupid things like that with knives and blunt objects too. Accidental discharges are stupid and anyone who owns guns should know not do let that be a possibility so I'm not saying he is completely without fault but learning how to shoot and carrying is something someone would do just for self defence, depending on the safety of where they live.
I also wouldn't consider shooting shotguns to be a gun nut kind of thing either, unless you consider clay pigeon shooters to be gun nuts as well.
I'm not saying they were accidents and they were certainly his fault but I accept the possibility that they could have been accidents. Being stupid with a gun doesn't necessarily make you a gun nut.but.. but.. those were all accidents and totally not his fault.
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so this guy is still "kicking" about then.
thought they'd have locked him up already.
thought they'd have locked him up already.
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South Africa is plane crazy, a friend of mine and his wife came to live in England after someone he knew was stabbed to death in the street for a stud earring.
I don't know what to make of this case, the more it go's on the more it seems like it will turn into another OJ Simpson case.
I don't know what to make of this case, the more it go's on the more it seems like it will turn into another OJ Simpson case.
There are scores of planespotters at Tambo airport, they really do love it.
He still needs a "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit" moment though.
Something pithy like "if the testimonies don't corroborate, then you must exonerate" ought to do it.
That's not what he meant and you know it!
He was clearly talking about their love of woodwork. Pistorius even uses one to keep his legs silky smooth.
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Asking why people do seemingly irrational things in the heat of the moment is futile.
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I have to agree that there is no way he is going down for murder. There is most certainly a reasonable doubt in my mind even if I think there is a 70% chance it probably was murder.
I wonder if he will even get a jail sentence? Probably 5 years at absolute most.
I wonder if he will even get a jail sentence? Probably 5 years at absolute most.
Agreed. His story is weak and contradictory and his crocodile tears fool only the credulous. The last time I saw such an obviously guilty man in court was the OJ Simpson Trial. Let's hope the result this time is the right one.
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I heard that the prosecution back-up plan might be a murder verdict based on the fact that he fired at a closed door without his life being in immediate danger. That would be pretty unsatisfying - it wouldn't really get us any further towards what was going through his mind.
Also, was there any evidence that she was actually using the toilet - bottom half removed or waste products? That would suggest she was actually in there to use its facilitates, and not to cower in fear from a stumpy nutter.
Also, was there any evidence that she was actually using the toilet - bottom half removed or waste products? That would suggest she was actually in there to use its facilitates, and not to cower in fear from a stumpy nutter.
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Things have gone pretty bad for him so far, but the next couple of days/witnesses will decide if he gets off of the murder charge, I think.
I'm fairly sure he'll do time, it just depends on what charge. If I understand the SA legal system correctly (admittedly from news reporting), then if the judge returns not guilty on the murder, she automatically has to default to considering manslaughter and/or another lesser charge.
I'm fairly sure he'll do time, it just depends on what charge. If I understand the SA legal system correctly (admittedly from news reporting), then if the judge returns not guilty on the murder, she automatically has to default to considering manslaughter and/or another lesser charge.
Same, so many people in this thread applying UK logic, which you cant do. Got family in SAfrica and everyone is armed the estates are high walled with armed guards and every house has multiple weapons which they wouldn't hesitate to use. Its not a great place and it certainly isn't a safe place.
I haven't heard much of the trial just a few mins off the radio when at work and what I've heard the court is an utter joke, cant believe the judge allowed the prosecution just to shout and not ask questions, i hope our legal system isn't anything like that.
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Following the developments of the crime from the very beginning, a few facts are irrefutable.
That Oscar Pistorious killed Reeva Steenkamp.
The fact that he killed her has utterly destroyed him and has engulfed him in genuine grief and sorrow for her loss.
That either he is lying the most evil of lies, or that he's an otherwise innocent man that made a terribly henious mistake.
The problem for his defence is that when she was killed by him she was pretty much fully dressed, with her mobile phone, behind a locked door, all despite it being the middle of the night.
According to his defence, she somehow did all this without stirring Pistorious from his sleep, who upon eventually waking to move a fan from his balcony somehow ascertained that an intruder was in his house.
Again, according to his defence, rather than move the 2 metres or so to the bed to 100% confirm Reeva's presence by touching her and talking to her - he instead managed to find his gun in the darkness, make his way to the bathroom, and without demanding to know their identity, knowingly shot 4 times at a human being on the other side of a locked door.
Let's just say it doesn't look good for him.
My opinion is he killed her in a crime of passion following an argument in which she dressed quickly in her shorts and top, grabbed her phone and attempted to run away from him, ultimately barricading herself in the locked toilet for safety.
Out of his mind with anger Oscar knowingly shot her, or at the very least intended to terrify her by shooting near her, and genuinely and deeply regretted it the second the 4th bullet exited the chamber.
He shouldn't be judged as harshly as a pre-meditated murder, but he should still be charged with whatever form of murder sentence a crime of passion receives in SA, likely a decent amount of years in prison, no less than he deserves.
The whole episode is tragic for everyone involved.
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That Oscar Pistorious killed Reeva Steenkamp.
The fact that he killed her has utterly destroyed him and has engulfed him in genuine grief and sorrow for her loss.
That either he is lying the most evil of lies, or that he's an otherwise innocent man that made a terribly henious mistake.
The problem for his defence is that when she was killed by him she was pretty much fully dressed, with her mobile phone, behind a locked door, all despite it being the middle of the night.
According to his defence, she somehow did all this without stirring Pistorious from his sleep, who upon eventually waking to move a fan from his balcony somehow ascertained that an intruder was in his house.
Again, according to his defence, rather than move the 2 metres or so to the bed to 100% confirm Reeva's presence by touching her and talking to her - he instead managed to find his gun in the darkness, make his way to the bathroom, and without demanding to know their identity, knowingly shot 4 times at a human being on the other side of a locked door.
Let's just say it doesn't look good for him.
My opinion is he killed her in a crime of passion following an argument in which she dressed quickly in her shorts and top, grabbed her phone and attempted to run away from him, ultimately barricading herself in the locked toilet for safety.
Out of his mind with anger Oscar knowingly shot her, or at the very least intended to terrify her by shooting near her, and genuinely and deeply regretted it the second the 4th bullet exited the chamber.
He shouldn't be judged as harshly as a pre-meditated murder, but he should still be charged with whatever form of murder sentence a crime of passion receives in SA, likely a decent amount of years in prison, no less than he deserves.
The whole episode is tragic for everyone involved.
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