Oscar Pistorius thread

[Clipsey]

My opinion is he killed her in a crime of passion following an argument in which she dressed quickly in her shorts and top, grabbed her phone and attempted to run away from him, ultimately barricading herself in the locked toilet for safety.
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Pretty sure this is exactly what happened! Of course he didn't mean to kill her, but in the heat of the moment he unfortunately did. He is now devastated not only because he has killed someone he loved but he has to live with the consequences.
Definitely guilty, just not sure how guilty

 

[holymonk]

Following the developments of the crime from the very beginning, a few facts are irrefutable.



That Oscar Pistorious killed Reeva Steenkamp.

The fact that he killed her has utterly destroyed him and has engulfed him in genuine grief and sorrow for her loss.

That either he is lying the most evil of lies, or that he's an otherwise innocent man that made a terribly henious mistake.



The problem for his defence is that when she was killed by him she was pretty much fully dressed, with her mobile phone, behind a locked door, all despite it being the middle of the night.

According to his defence, she somehow did all this without stirring Pistorious from his sleep, who upon eventually waking to move a fan from his balcony somehow ascertained that an intruder was in his house.

Again, according to his defence, rather than move the 2 metres or so to the bed to 100% confirm Reeva's presence by touching her and talking to her - he instead managed to find his gun in the darkness, make his way to the bathroom, and without demanding to know their identity, knowingly shot 4 times at a human being on the other side of a locked door.


Let's just say it doesn't look good for him.


My opinion is he killed her in a crime of passion following an argument in which she dressed quickly in her shorts and top, grabbed her phone and attempted to run away from him, ultimately barricading herself in the locked toilet for safety.

Out of his mind with anger Oscar knowingly shot her, or at the very least intended to terrify her by shooting near her, and genuinely and deeply regretted it the second the 4th bullet exited the chamber.

He shouldn't be judged as harshly as a pre-meditated murder, but he should still be charged with whatever form of murder sentence a crime of passion receives in SA, likely a decent amount of years in prison, no less than he deserves.

The whole episode is tragic for everyone involved.



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Id pretty much agree with this. He does appear to be a self centered tool, but I doubt he intended to kill her.

The worrying thing is, why hasn't the clothes thing been mentioned by the prosecution, when you put all the little bits together, its so obvious he knew what he was doing.

 

[Andy_82]

From what i've heard so far following this case leeds me to believe there is much more to this than he is admitting too. I think he has a rather nasty temper, thats pretty obvious looking back on his athletics carrier. I also would suspect as well as a temper problem, he is incredibly controlling psycologically and tends to get jealous.

Personally i think they argued and she went into the bathroom to get away from him, he demanded that she open the door, she refused which made him even more angry, at which point he lost his temper.... the rest we know.

I think his actions/behaviour in the courtroom is part acting and part remorse.

of course this is just my opinion and i've kept an open mind (to my family's amazement).

 

[Sankari]

The Boer is a cunning foe. It takes patience and skill to defeat him.

 

[Bassmansam]

Where does he stay in the evenings/weekends/ the two weeks he now has off? Is he a free man during this time?

 

[martinbeaver]

Following the developments of the crime from the very beginning, a few facts are irrefutable.

The fact that he killed her has utterly destroyed him and has engulfed him in genuine grief and sorrow for her loss.

He's so grief stricken he's got a nice new 19 year old girlfriend.

 

[Tombo]

He's so grief stricken he's got a nice new 19 year old girlfriend.

That doesn't disprove anything really.

Also why would she run into the bathroom and lock the door if she feared for her safety? He didn't have his legs on so he couldn't follow her quickly and if she was scared because he had a gun why hide in an enclosed space rather than leaving the house?

 

[Wolfe777]

That doesn't disprove anything really.

Also why would she run into the bathroom and lock the door if she feared for her safety? He didn't have his legs on so he couldn't follow her quickly and if she was scared because he had a gun why hide in an enclosed space rather than leaving the house?

The new 19 year old girlfriend doesn't do his reputation any favours, but legally it's not likely to have any bearing on anything. It is another example of what might be seen as callous behaviour on his part though.

As for why Reeva might have ended up in the toilet despite intending to run away, have you seen pictures of the layout of the house?

It's easy to see how she could have been cornered in the hall leading to the en suite bathroom instead of managing to run out the bedroom door. Also being a highly trained athlete, he could still easily overpower her even without his legs, and likely move quite quickly still over short distances.

In pictures of them together with her in heels, he's still a few inches taller than her. Without his legs he's probably only an inch or two shorter than her, and much, much stronger than she was.

There's no doubt he could have physically terrorized her with ease if he intended to.



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[Sankari]

He's so grief stricken he's got a nice new 19 year old girlfriend.

That didn't take long. Stay classy, Pistorius.

 

[Jono8]

The problem for his defence is that when she was killed by him she was pretty much fully dressed, with her mobile phone, behind a locked door, all despite it being the middle of the night.




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Is this true? I never heard it mentioned by the prosecutor. Surely this would completely discredit his version of events?

 

[mmj_uk]

That doesn't disprove anything really.

Also why would she run into the bathroom and lock the door if she feared for her safety? He didn't have his legs on so he couldn't follow her quickly and if she was scared because he had a gun why hide in an enclosed space rather than leaving the house?

Same reason Pistorius has used for most of his bizarre actions, people do strange things when they're in a state of panic.

 

[Zbornak]

Also why would she run into the bathroom and lock the door if she feared for her safety? He didn't have his legs on so he couldn't follow her quickly and if she was scared because he had a gun why hide in an enclosed space rather than leaving the house?

I don't think she was scared when she went into the bathroom. Forensics suggests she did a wee wee just before she died.

 

[Wolfe777]

I've already posted my thoughts in this thread and I think he's guilty, but I had a example happen just last night of how this is going to be very difficult for one judge to decide upon.

My girlfriend has a sofabed in her lounge, and from time to time if we can't sleep and don't want to disturb each other, one of us may head into the lounge and try to sleep there for a bit.

It just so happens I did so last night, as I couldn't sleep and didn't want to disturb my girlfriend. After getting some sleep on the sofabed I remember hearing her moving around a bit when I was half asleep, but didn't think anything of it and went back to sleep.

Anyway, this morning she me told she woke in the middle of the night with 100% certainty I was still next to her in bed, went to the loo and upon returning reached for me and was frightened that I'd somehow disappeared, but quickly realised that I must have gone into the lounge, checked I was there and went back to sleep herself.

We both think he's guilty, but both had to agree that it is possible to confuse a partner being in bed when they weren't actually there at all, giving some credence to his version of events at least, of course his story that he got a gun, went to the bathroom and shot 4 times all without bothering to check if she was really there or not, is quite another matter.

I still think he did it, but it's going to be very hard to prove beyond doubt.

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[ChroniC]

What you have just said is proof enough for me. What person in what strange reality, breaks into a house and hides quietly in the toilet.
Any sane person would know to say, "who's that" or similar before assuming the best course of action is shooting 4 times.

He's guilty as a puppy standing next to a pile of poo.

 

[Wolfe777]

It certainly seems he has to be guilty.

Using my example from last night - all my girlfriend had to do was check I was in the lounge, she didn't even need to wake me, and she went happily back to sleep.

Oscar could have confirmed her presence (or lack of) by simply reaching across the bed, an even simpler action, why he didn't is inexplicable, his version of events simply stretches credibility.

For Oscar to have shot that bathroom door in any other intent than to have wanted to harm Reeva, two events had to be in absolute certainty in his mind. That Reeva was safe in bed and that a murderous intruder lurked on the other side of the door.

He didn't even have to leave his bed to 100% confirm if she was there or not, yet he inexplicably didn't do so, and then knowingly fired 4 shots at a human being without warning them or demanding to know who they were.

Yet the fear of intruders aspect of his defense is not without substance, being that it is a genuine fear in much of SA, I still think he definitely did it, but a skilled lawyer could still get him off the hook for this.


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[sk3lph]

Agree with the comments here - surely your first thought if you hear a noise in the bathroom is that that it's your girlfriend and only after you confirm that she is next to you do you then think it's an intruder. It just doesn't make sense that he immediately grabbed his gun and shot at the bathroom door.

My suspicion is that they had a fight and he shot at the door out of anger and frustration without thinking about what he was doing.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Agree with the comments here - surely your first thought if you hear a noise in the bathroom is that that it's your girlfriend and only after you confirm that she is next to you do you then think it's an intruder. It just doesn't make sense that he immediately grabbed his gun and shot at the bathroom door.

My suspicion is that they had a fight and he shot at the door out of anger and frustration without thinking about what he was doing.

Exactly, it just doesn't make sense.

Has been an interesting case to watch.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I'm so undivided by this case,

I've not followed it in great detail but it just seems so confusing whether he actually meant to murder her or not.

I believe he didn't but that is me going by my limited knowledge of said case.

 

[Spektor]

His story feasibility level: Ian Huntley.

 

[Aedus]

My opinion is he killed her in a crime of passion following an argument in which she dressed quickly in her shorts and top, grabbed her phone and attempted to run away from him, ultimately barricading herself in the locked toilet for safety.

Out of his mind with anger Oscar knowingly shot her, or at the very least intended to terrify her by shooting near her, and genuinely and deeply regretted it the second the 4th bullet exited the chamber.

He shouldn't be judged as harshly as a pre-meditated murder, but he should still be charged with whatever form of murder sentence a crime of passion receives in SA, likely a decent amount of years in prison, no less than he deserves.

Completely agree with this.