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Oxide Developer: “NVIDIA Was Putting Pressure On Us To Disable Certain Settings In The Benchmark”

andybird123 said:
I've asked exactly that quite a few times, not seen any overclocked results on this yet... why don't you run some kaap :D
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I can not do DX12 as I am back on Win8.1

Here is a single TitanX overclocked on DX11 1080p max settings.

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On NVidia cards the bench looks and runs exactly the same whether DX11 0r DX12 is used.

The CPU is not hindered by using DX11.
 
Gregster said:
So Nvidia asked the devs to add/change something and they refused? I remember a thread the same as that but with AMD asking for something to be added and the devs refused. I am pretty sure it was The Witcher 3 and Nvidia got chastised by the AMD fans and again here, Nvidia are getting chastised by the AMD fans.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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pgi947 said:
Equally amd getting caught with their pants down by sms over pcars, even when the dev spoke out in that instance, it was still nvidias fault :D

Wouldn't worry about it too much Greg, rational, reasonable conversation on these forums have long since died.
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Exactly this.

I do find it funny that this has all started from a post on another forum that supposedly came from a developer third cousins brothers dog, or some such, that might or might not be accurate. In one breath it says that neither team had many visits, then that there was more contact by NVidia and now that NVidia asked for a feature to be removed.
Ok was that an official request, or was it just the two guys chatting on the phone, with one just jokingly suggesting to turn the feature off. 'We have no idea'. It is just third or fourth hand gossip and you've all taken it as gospel.


In most respects I really don't want AMD to go under, but if it would get rid of this ridiculously one sided hate fest from a few of the red team, them maybe it cannot come soon enough.

(disclaimer: this entire post is my own opinion, even though that wont stop certain people quoting parts of it and telling me what an idiot I am, or words to that effect.)
 
Oh and another thing, did this really need it own thread?

Oh of course it did, see my previous post. ;)
 
bru said:
Exactly this.

I do find it funny that this has all started from a post on another forum that supposedly came from a developer third cousins brothers dog, or some such, that might or might not be accurate. In one breath it says that neither team had many visits, then that there was more contact by NVidia and now that NVidia asked for a feature to be removed.
Ok was that an official request, or was it just the two guys chatting on the phone, with one just jokingly suggesting to turn the feature off. 'We have no idea'. It is just third or fourth hand gossip and you've all taken it as gospel.


In most respects I really don't want AMD to go under, but if it would get rid of this ridiculously one sided hate fest from a few of the red team, them maybe it cannot come soon enough.

(disclaimer: this entire post is my own opinion, even though that wont stop certain people quoting parts of it and telling me what an idiot I am, or words to that effect.)
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Exactly this, it is getting pointless reading this subsection as the interesting people have left from both sides. It is now just filled with some weird AMD damage control group. The funny thing is it is not even needed, the Fury series and the 9** series are all fine cards and will trade blows at DX12.
 
Stanners said:
Exactly this, it is getting pointless reading this subsection as the interesting people have left from both sides. It is now just filled with some weird AMD damage control group. The funny thing is it is not even needed, the Fury series and the 9** series are all fine cards and will trade blows at DX12.
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The problem is that they each fuel each others fires. I'm all for brand neutrality, but when people will try to justify something by saying "Nvidia owns 80% so they can do what they like", it annoys me. As long as people can justify something, i'm a happy man.
 
bru said:
Exactly this.

I do find it funny that this has all started from a post on another forum that supposedly came from a developer third cousins brothers dog, or some such, that might or might not be accurate. In one breath it says that neither team had many visits, then that there was more contact by NVidia and now that NVidia asked for a feature to be removed.
Ok was that an official request, or was it just the two guys chatting on the phone, with one just jokingly suggesting to turn the feature off. 'We have no idea'. It is just third or fourth hand gossip and you've all taken it as gospel.


In most respects I really don't want AMD to go under, but if it would get rid of this ridiculously one sided hate fest from a few of the red team, them maybe it cannot come soon enough.

(disclaimer: this entire post is my own opinion, even though that wont stop certain people quoting parts of it and telling me what an idiot I am, or words to that effect.)
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Yes. It's only the reds making it a hate fest. I can definitely guess where you stand in the Red v Green "war." Personally, I sway more to red due to their less anti-consumer practices in trying to lock folk in to their brand (see GameWorks, see G-Sync) but for the most part I buy whatever provides the best solution for me. This time around it was Fury X's, in no small part to their 4k performance, but largely because of the AIO -- crossfire on air makes for hot cards =(

These threads where the 5-6 hardcore greens take on the 3-4 hardcore reds are always amusing though - especially when you read them and note how each side is omitting certain results because they don't like the conclusions ;D
 
With just one benchmark it is surely to early to call which vendor will be better in the long run.

AMD had Mantle and a lot of their time was spent optimizing for that which will now be beneficial with the onset of DX12 as it is a similar API, but this was at the detriment of DX11 optimization which Nvidia have vastly better optimization for. This in turn makes AMD look good as they have gone from poor DX11 performance to good low level API (DX12) performance (via Mantle), while Nvidia already had good DX11 performance and haven't had as much time to gear towards low level API as they did not have a Mantle equivalent.

The real battle will be both vendors next gen GPU's as the game will be reset, both will have access to HBM2, new fabrication processes and DX12 is here, then we will see who's architecture is really the best.

This is just my personal view!
 
bru said:
Exactly this.

I do find it funny that this has all started from a post on another forum that supposedly came from a developer third cousins brothers dog, or some such, that might or might not be accurate. In one breath it says that neither team had many visits, then that there was more contact by NVidia and now that NVidia asked for a feature to be removed.
Ok was that an official request, or was it just the two guys chatting on the phone, with one just jokingly suggesting to turn the feature off. 'We have no idea'. It is just third or fourth hand gossip and you've all taken it as gospel.


In most respects I really don't want AMD to go under, but if it would get rid of this ridiculously one sided hate fest from a few of the red team, them maybe it cannot come soon enough.

(disclaimer: this entire post is my own opinion, even though that wont stop certain people quoting parts of it and telling me what an idiot I am, or words to that effect.)
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Emm,why do you want a company to go under just because of some of its fans - usually your weird logic,you might as well say the same for Nvidia,Intel,Apple,Google....and literally every large tech company out there. Most of its post-purchase justification and rationalisation.

If you think some of the AMD/NV fans are bad - you know nothing of having worked in areas where Apple and Linux computers are the norm and the constant droning of how Windows is crap,rubbish,MS are the devil,etc.

I know Linux fans who hate MS with such a passion,they would avoid even getting a flipping XBox since its "Microsoft",and would love nothing of but MS to go **** up.

You really should know better than making such a statement like that - have you forgotten the Nvidia Focus Group??

There are 1000s of people employed in these companies,and especially the way the economy is worldwide,its a particularly bitter thing to say over a piece of technology.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Emm,why do you want a company to go under just because of some of its fans - usually your weird logic,you might as well say the same for Nvidia,Intel,Apple,Google....and literally every large tech company out there. Most of its post-purchase justification and rationalisation.

If you think some of the AMD/NV fans are bad - you know nothing of having worked in areas where Apple and Linux computers are the norm and the constant droning of how Windows is crap,rubbish,MS are the devil,etc.

I know Linux fans who hate MS with such a passion,they would avoid even getting a flipping XBox since its "Microsoft",and would love nothing of but MS to go **** up.

You really should know better than making such a statement like that - have you forgotten the Nvidia Focus Group??

There are 1000s of people employed in these companies,and especially the way the economy is worldwide,its a particularly bitter thing to say over a piece of technology.
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This.

What makes me lol is that there are fanboys in every walk of life. I had a problem with my BT internet a few month ago and had to post on their forums. After 2 solid month of problems and them refusing to admit it I took to them to vent and make people aware and there are some die hard ISP fanboys lol Who would have thought :D
 
oldestgregg said:
This.

What makes me lol is that there are fanboys in every walk of life. I had a problem with my BT internet a few month ago and had to post on their forums. After 2 solid month of problems and them refusing to admit it I took to them to vent and make people aware and there are some die hard ISP fanboys lol Who would have thought :D
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That takes internet fanbois to another level!

Literally!

:eek::D
 
This is no surprise to anyone. Either NVIDIA's dodgy practices or that none of their cards support a-synch compute. Anyone who had bothered to look into it found that they were 'emulating' (transpires it's not really even that) a-synch compute in software. Many people on these forums screamed that this was a lie and totally made up. Wonder what they're going to claim now?

As I said several months ago, a-synch compute is THE feature for Vulkan & DX12. Hence why you see a 290X being only marginally behind a 980Ti in Ashes of The Singularity at QHD & 4K in raw FPS and ahead in frame times.
 
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Gregster said:
So Nvidia asked the devs to add/change something and they refused? I remember a thread the same as that but with AMD asking for something to be added and the devs refused. I am pretty sure it was The Witcher 3 and Nvidia got chastised by the AMD fans and again here, Nvidia are getting chastised by the AMD fans.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Twisting things much? ;) Nvidia didn't ask Oxide to add anything. They asked them to disable/remove a feature/setting.

Good try though.
 
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