This matter is a splash in ocean. We are talking about fraction of things compare to the new Gens. I could say also, this is a mice vs cat then cat vs mice situation. Personally, i do not care about this generation at all from both vendor.
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Oxide Developer: “NVIDIA Was Putting Pressure On Us To Disable Certain Settings In The Benchmark”
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Shame Nvidia resorted to alienating a developer because they didn't get their way, nice for once to see a game dev stand up to them. Getting all the negative PR they deserve tbh.
+1.
Really surprised Maxwell turns out to be such a disappointment in DX12. No doubt this was a concious decision by NVIDIA, so that their customers will have to upgrade to the next gen, which will conveniently fix the dx12 performance and natively support async.
I kinda doubt anyone is still using an ATI card
If they are it would explain why AMD aren't doing so well lately
Still got an old laptop kicking around Compaq Evo n410c IIRC - P3 1GHZ, 512MB RAM and a ATI Mobility M7 or something - it just about plays doom3 lol.
I wouldn't say maxwell is a disappointment in DX12 mate, its still getting decent gains its just the gains from DX11 to DX12 for AMD looks much more impressive which is putting nVidia in a bad light especially when AMD start comming out on top lol.
There still gains for nVidia! I'm just getting quite sick of nVidia and how they handle things and do business! They need to change for the better or atleast for gamers and stop trying so hard to control everything. Because in the end its gamers which will pay for it and most will result to going console if worst come to worst so no one wins! (by in the end i mean where nVidia gain control and charge hefty price for Gfx cards and AMD no longer are in the scene)
Glad AMD are getting a win for once and hopefully will keep it up with DX12.
Yeah. I hope AMD manage to claw back a respectable market share. Hopefully this news, coupled with NVIDIA's inferior DX12 performance (thus far) will start the ball rolling.
Having said that, the most loyal NVIDIA supporters will try and deflate this as much as they can, so the jury is out whether the truth of this situation will be common knowledge, or if it will be hushed up etc.
The first thing AMD need to do is get Fury X and Fury P cards on the shelves at a reasonable price.
And no I am not a loyal NVidia supporter, I am typing this using a Fury X based PC.
The first thing AMD need to do is get Fury X and Fury P cards on the shelves at a reasonable price.
And no I am not a loyal NVidia supporter, I am typing this using a Fury X based PC.
AMD would if they could. HBM and it's interposer have limited yields, causing the huge stock issues that we've seen over the last few months.
Once that issue is resolved and yields increase, more cards will be in stock and the prices will drop.
Though it's worth noting that this thread should be to discuss NVIDIA pressuring a game developer to remove features that their GPU's don't support, rather than try and redirect it towards AMD's stock/yield issues with HBM.
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I hope you're right Dave, I've said it before and I'll say it again - We *need* a strong AMD going forward
But as for DX12 performance, you have to admit that dev's will see the figures and see that nVidia cards are in 80-85% (by years end, considering the poor Fury stock) of PC's and program primarily for them!! So they have a MEGA uphill battle on their hands, and with their big layoff's and reduced resources I'm not sure they're gonna be up for it. But it might make them mean and lean for battle!! Let's hope
I think the real battle will start next year, HBM2 and 14/16nm will give neither side any excuses
But as for DX12 performance, you have to admit that dev's will see the figures and see that nVidia cards are in 80-85% (by years end, considering the poor Fury stock) of PC's and program primarily for them!! So they have a MEGA uphill battle on their hands, and with their big layoff's and reduced resources I'm not sure they're gonna be up for it. But it might make them mean and lean for battle!! Let's hope
I think the real battle will start next year, HBM2 and 14/16nm will give neither side any excuses
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So Nvidia asked the devs to add/change something and they refused? I remember a thread the same as that but with AMD asking for something to be added and the devs refused. I am pretty sure it was The Witcher 3 and Nvidia got chastised by the AMD fans and again here, Nvidia are getting chastised by the AMD fans.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Despite the marketing material and without understanding the technology as well as a lot of you I think the "proper" DX12 cards will be the next gen. Wouldn't be surprised if the latest AMD cards simply do a better job of DX12 - possibly one of the benefits to being later to the market.
Of course it could all just be software(drivers) and therefore I'm completely wrong.
By the time DX12 is done properly from the game perspective and DX12 compatible cards are more necessary I expect cards from AMD and NVida to handle it similarly (ie, very well) - but it might not be current gen cards.
Of course it could all just be software(drivers) and therefore I'm completely wrong.
By the time DX12 is done properly from the game perspective and DX12 compatible cards are more necessary I expect cards from AMD and NVida to handle it similarly (ie, very well) - but it might not be current gen cards.
Equally amd getting caught with their pants down by sms over pcars, even when the dev spoke out in that instance, it was still nvidias fault
Wouldn't worry about it too much Greg, rational, reasonable conversation on these forums have long since died.
The strange thing that no one seems to have picked up on with DX12 performance is even if we base it on one dodgy benchmark AMD still have a problem.
Their cards may show a bigger improvement than the NVidia ones but once people start overclocking the GM200 cards are still going to come out on top.
The big unknown is what will voltage control do for the Fury cards ?
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Make them hotter and give about 50Hz improvement! Mystery solved
Dreeeeeeeamy
No probs with temps
Here are mine after going round Firestrike 4K
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I was talking the normal users Kaap 
I think the AiO will take it though
I think the AiO will take it though
I was talking the normal users Kaap
I think the AiO will take it though
With a modest overclock (1130Mhz) and my fan profile, the cards max out at 50-52'C with the fans not going past 50% -- so there's plenty of room there. A quick Firestrike run or something doesn't see the cards past 40 though, the cards take a while to warm up I've found.
Are you sure? Wasn't you who posted your titan x overclocked results at 4k, and my fury x at stock was still faster?
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I've asked exactly that quite a few times, not seen any overclocked results on this yet... why don't you run some kaap