P & O Ferries

Nah, if you can't operate a ferry service coming in and out of UK ports without employing UK workers then you don't have a business and should wind up.

I understand call centres in India, but not this.

Edit: They took pandemic furlough money too. Horrid.
 
Where are these lower paid workers living that they can afford to take these jobs? I can see it being an issue on cruise ships but on ferries around the UK, how much of a saving are they making once they factor in the agency fees? It all comes down to tax and pensions surely?
 
Uther said:
We looked in to it in 2020 as we had a two week trip booked for Ireland and with flying and hiring a car for 14 days it was hugely more expensive than just taking our own.
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Fair enough, if you were there for longer then the car hire would add up i guess, we were only looking for a long weekend, so just a few days hire
 
Nevakonaza said:
"As you may be aware the business has been struggling financially" he says in the zoom call,So sacking workers and replacing them on the fly with cheap labour is going to solve this quickly how? if they are truly 100 million pound in loss for the past two years do they really think sacking the current workers is going to quickly turn this around?

Baffles me how these companies never look at re-structuring their management and numerous Supervisors,bosses,Directors etc Which they really do not need that many..its always the "normal" everyday workers...you know the ones that actually earn the companies money!

Whats even more crazy,they had plenty of time to make a "Document pack" explaining to them about the redundancy,severance payout etc..but literally only given them "on the day" noticed and sacked instantly..i bet they had been having meetings for months in board rooms with all the big bosses on 100s of Ks a year.
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I don't wish to rain on your parade too much, but it appears from the latest filed accounts (2020) that the directors are not paid anything by P&O Ferries. In which case they can't reduce £0 any further.

Edit: although it depends which company we're looking at, it's not entirely clear from news reports!! :eek:
 
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englishpremier said:
Don't you use Stenna Line for Ireland? Better company all round.
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Yeah Stena are generally pretty good, but still quite expensive. I've had to go for work twice recently and back at the end of January it was about £465 return for 2 adults and car between Holyhead and Dublin. When I went in mid Feb it was £308 for 1 adult with car from Holyhead to Dublin then returning from Rosslare to Fishguard (and I got completely shafted with that crossing too but that's another story). That said I thought that price wasn't too bad given that it was during half term time too. It just seems that the ferries between here and Ireland are just fairly expensive when you're taking a car.
 
I have a crossing booked with them in August - the alternatives are drastically less convenient and vastly more expensive. Still, I'm not willing to support such scummy behaviour so I will do my best to take my business elsewhere.
 
This is why services like this should be never privatised.

I do understand the point though. Unions end up getting the people who work there on such fantastic money that they end up putting the company under when things quieten down. It would be interesting to know what kind of wages the different positions get onboard.

Alas this is just the beginning of a massive recession coming our way I am afraid.
 
DRZ said:
I have a crossing booked with them in August - the alternatives are drastically less convenient and vastly more expensive. Still, I'm not willing to support such scummy behaviour so I will do my best to take my business elsewhere.
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absolutely buddy
 
adam cool dude said:
This is why services like this should be never privatised.

I do understand the point though. Unions end up getting the people who work there on such fantastic money that they end up putting the company under when things quieten down. It would be interesting to know what kind of wages the different positions get onboard.

Alas this is just the beginning of a massive recession coming our way I am afraid.
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Yep, greedy Brits wanting more pay, unions kick off and drive off investment to other countries. It was Heinz in Wigan last week who were going to invest £150m in the plant, until the unions got involved and they took the investment to Poland instead. People in glass houses and all that

No excuse to fire your whole workforce on the spot like this though, it's a joke
 
Not surprised with the methods. The last time staff were made redundant the boats were damaged as staff left. Cement was poured down the toilets, etc.
 
adam cool dude said:
This is why services like this should be never privatised.

I do understand the point though. Unions end up getting the people who work there on such fantastic money that they end up putting the company under when things quieten down. It would be interesting to know what kind of wages the different positions get onboard.

Alas this is just the beginning of a massive recession coming our way I am afraid.
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I can't honestly see any way that sacking 800 staff is going to make any sort of dent in the claimed 100 million loss...

Well I can, but only if your new staff are on a fraction of the wage and don't complain about you cutting all sorts of corners in terms of safety etc.

Also the thing about unions getting people fantastic money often isn't true, it's more common for it to result in the staff getting something more than the bare minimum and having somewhere they can go for assistance when the company tries to play games in regards to working conditions, or safety.
 
jaybee said:
Why is there so much coverage and outcry of this particular case though?
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Because 800 people were made redundant at the same time via a Zoom call with zero notice whatsoever. I'm trying to think of any other instance where this has happened to so many people at the same time.
 
jaybee said:
Why is there so much coverage and outcry of this particular case though?
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Feek said:
Because 800 people were made redundant at the same time via a Zoom call with zero notice whatsoever. I'm trying to think of any other instance where this has happened to so many people at the same time.
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And it's not just redundancy as a business is downsizing or going bust - they are putting these people out of work to deliberately replace them with cheaper staff...

If it was downsizing or going bust then, yes, it would still be wrong in the way that they have done this but that would have been less unpalatable to everyone
 
Feek said:
Because 800 people were made redundant at the same time via a Zoom call with zero notice whatsoever. I'm trying to think of any other instance where this has happened to so many people at the same time.
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Also the way it's been done seems to me to be on quite dodgy ground.

I can't remember any time a company has basically sacked all it's staff without any consultation in order to replace them with cheaper agency staff, I was under the impression the employment laws were meant to offer some protection to the staff unless the company was actually bankrupt/insolvent.
 
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