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Pathetic AMD release...

6644kp said:
And for that matter I am thinking of snapping up a 6000 series or 500 series card and then you can pay a premium for that 7000 or 600 series sticker while getting the same performance as me.
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I'd like to see you get the same folding power out of those series and gaming power. You said 7000 series which includes the 7970/50. The 7770 is less than what people wanted and hoped for, that's clear. ;)

Oh but that's right, no one buys graphics cards for GPGPU uses, right?

Except people did buy NV cards purely based on that and now AMD are better than NV's best at GPGPU applications hence the mark up.

I'm sick of this hypocrisy that AMD were some knight in shining armor with their aggresive pricing, it was an anomaly to get steam in NV's face.

It's not poor value, it's just ignorance and the prices are higher than usual due to a number of factors and if people would bloody just open their eyes they would see this. Instead of bleeting on as if their opinion will change something on a forum that AMD has absolutely zero interest in (with regards to their GPU design phases), it's tiresome now and really should be put to rest. Regurgitating the exact same thing over and over is banal and most of us know what is going on. No need to try and re-enforce it constantly.

Edit: I haven't slept in quite a while, I don't mean to offend anyone. :p
 
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LeJosh said:
I'd like to see you get the same folding power out of those series and gaming power. You said 7000 series which includes the 7970/50. The 7770 is less than what people wanted and hoped for, that's clear. ;)

Oh but that's right, no one buys graphics cards for GPGPU uses, right?

Except people did buy NV cards purely based on that and now AMD are better than NV's best at GPGPU applications hence the mark up.

I'm sick of this hypocrisy that AMD were some knight in shining armor with their aggresive pricing, it was an anomaly to get steam in NV's face.

It's not poor value, it's just ignorance and the prices are higher than usual due to a number of factors and if people would bloody just open their eyes they would see this. Instead of bleeting on as if their opinion will change something on a forum that AMD has absolutely zero interest in (with regards to their GPU design phases), it's tiresome now and really should be put to rest. Regurgitating the exact same thing over and over is banal and most of us know what is going on. No need to try and re-enforce it constantly.

Edit: I haven't slept in quite a while, I don't mean to offend anyone. :p
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I bet you that in around a month's time the GTX 570 and Radeon 7850 will around the same price while the 7850 will only preform around 6870 levels.

And GTX 580's in two months time will come down to around £250 to £200 as retailers want to get rid of their stock while the 7950's will be still in excess of £300.

Also if you don't want to discuss this subject then dont click on the thread.
 
I have recently got a new rig and had my choice of what to gpu to put in. I had just come from a 5770 that i bought around release time. When making the decision on which to go with..ati or nvidia, price was of secondary consideration to reliability interms of performance and driver capability.

I knew the 7xxx series was coming but wasnt prepared to wait for Keplar so i went with a gtx580. Why? Simple..in my experience nvidia works out of the box. The 5770 and the ati cards i had before it all required driver roulette and there were countless issues with many games that required time and effort to resolve. I totally accept the argument that the 7970 is a better card in terms of price/performance over the 580 but the thought of the driver issues down the line put me off.

Personally i think ATI's cards look better on screen but with NVIDIA its all about less headaches and less time messing about. My wife bought me another 580 at xmas so worked out in the end.
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

For those who want a 7770 we have them in stock and at probably one of the best prices in the UK of just £114.95 Inc. VAT. :)

However buy a 6850 from us instead, far better value for money! :D
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Are they still the ASUS 6850's with decent(ish) coolers, or have they been superceded by lesser versions?
 
bru said:
Don't know who's side of the discussion it helps but I found this 5770 review from Nov 18 2009 thats about a month after launch, showing card price as supplied by overclockers.co.uk at £126
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£126 in Nov 2009 would now be £151 accounting for 5% per year inflation, the softening of the £ against the $ and the 5% extra VAT, so in real terms the 7770's are 31.5% cheaper than the 5770's when they released.
 
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6644kp said:
And GTX 580's in two months time will come down to around £250 to £200 as retailers want to get rid of their stock while the 7950's will be still in excess of £300.
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As much as I disagree, I really do hope you'll be right, i want another 570 2.5 gb for tri SLI :cool::cool::cool:

They are unlikely to come down in price unless theres huge surplus and little demand like witht eh 480's
 
6644kp said:
I bet you that in around a month's time the GTX 570 and Radeon 7850 will around the same price while the 7850 will only preform around 6870 levels.

And GTX 580's in two months time will come down to around £250 to £200 as retailers want to get rid of their stock while the 7950's will be still in excess of £300.

Also if you don't want to discuss this subject then dont click on the thread.
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GPU swan songs don't usually end with such large reductions. All the 580s that will ever be made probably have been made, and sold on, which is the biggest determining factor upon how much retailers can sell them for without cutting off their noses to spite their face. There will always be someone looking for another for SLI/CF and when you have a handful of units left it makes little sense to give them away. Unless Nvidia step in and allow partners to offer reductions/compensation to shift old stock. Stranger things have happened but don't hold your breath
 
d_brennen said:
GPU swan songs don't usually end with such large reductions. All the 580s that will ever be made probably have been made, and sold on, which is the biggest determining factor upon how much retailers can sell them for without cutting off their noses to spite their face. There will always be someone looking for another for SLI/CF and when you have a handful of units left it makes little sense to give them away. Unless Nvidia step in and allow partners to offer reductions/compensation to shift old stock. Stranger things have happened but don't hold your breath
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it happened with the 480, around this time last year there were some crazy bargains.

the oc3d guy already said the 570 will soon drop sharply.

i would be happy with a 570.
 
6644kp said:
it happened with the 480, around this time last year there were some crazy bargains.
true, but i doubt that'll happen again. OcUK were the only one to do that deal because Gibbo and Gigabyte got their hands on some surplus for dead cheap. Everywhere else, 480's were roughly £350

the oc3d guy already said the 570 will soon drop sharply.
lwould you listen to him if he said the world will end tomorrow? :)

i would be happy with a 570.
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amigafan2003 said:
£126 in Nov 2009 would now be £151 accounting for 5% per year inflation, the softening of the £ against the $ and the 5% extra VAT, so in real terms the 7770's are 31.5% cheaper than the 5770's when they released.
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Your figures are incorrect. The 5% VAT increase was actually a 2.5% increase because the 2008-2009 figures were artifically low due to a 2.5% cut (God bless Gordan Brown). RPI inflation from Nov 2009 until January 2012 (including the affects of VAT changes) totals 9.8% according to official statistics. By this measure £126 in Nov 2009 is actually worth £138.35 now.

All of this is incidental because the cards were actually launched during Octobaer 2009. On that day one very poipular retailer was selling them for £113.45 including VAT and delivery, and several others had very close pricing. Current equivelent pricing would be £124.54.

£124.54 at todays prices would be great value for a new card that is twice as powerful as the one it replaced (like the 5770 was). Unfortunatley, the piece of crap 7770 is nowhere near fast enough to justify anywhere near that price tag. Thie 7770 should have been called a 7670.

Remember that the 5770 was about as fast as the 4870. The 7770 is nowhere near as fast as 6970, or the 5870. or even the 6870.

The 7770 price cannot be justified because it barely beats the last gen equivelent (two gens if you count 5770 & 6770). You can paint the turd red, but it is still brown and smelly in the middle.
 
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No but since he is an expert in this field and companies want him to review their cards I would say on this matter he has some weight.
 
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