No worries fella were not really going to agree on much so not really much point in going back and forth.
You can disbelieve I’ll remain open minded.
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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You can disbelieve I’ll remain open minded.
Other than you taking a word too literally I didn't hear anything which broke the laws of physics.
Not true.
Your instant dismissal of a method to travel faster than light is also clouding your view of the sole ability for infinite travel through space via a craft which can have fuel sourced multiple ways and provide similar civilisational structure to small planets.
If the craft described by the commander is accurate, then what I've described is far from fantasy.
Going back to FTL, the sci-fi theory of travel via wormholes cannot really be debunked and has grounds.
Let's say they left 22k years ago and have been here since Jesus...
I have a theory regarding the tic-tac shaped craft which is the extreme movement ability is from some form of gyroscope system internal to the structure, meaning there could be known propulsion systems within, masking expected byproducts (plumes, heat etc)
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People just don't get this, they think we live in a Star Trek universe.
Any Alien that leaves their planet to visit an insignificant blue planet will be saying goodbye to everything they knew and arriving back to a world 40k in the future (or thereabouts).
Soldato
The footage is showing a craft that isn't like any of the pilots have ever seen before. It's unidentified (at least officially).
Do you really think the Americans would be ok with an unidentified flying object zooming around their airspace?
In my opinion the Americans know what it is. I suspect its some kind of craft that will be revealed in the near future.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories at all tbh, they are often associated with absolute nut jobs who are full of crap and I prefer science to prove evidence of hypothesis and generally don't take too much notice of any of it. That said, this is very strange and I feel it is either a currently unknown technology from a nation state or is indeed not of this world. I've watched the Joe Rogan interviews with both the US Navy Pilot and that Bob Lazar chap. The naval pilot in my view was 100% credible in what he was stating, it was pretty factual and based on instrument and eye witness data. He is an expert aviator with results from multiple independent state of the art military radars and other sensors, that's hard to write off as simply equipment malfunction. The Lazar chap I'm still on the fence, the claim is just that insane on the face of it but does that mean that you should write it off completely? Declassified events over the years have produced some very interesting and true antidotes on a variety of topics, however the snippets of small information which he provided that were later validated decades later is very strange, he obviously had some exposure to a DoD environment, was it as he stated on the program he was involved in? We may never know. Either he has been an expert of deception over 30 years or there is *some* truth to what he is stating. It's mind blowing really, and I'm generally a sceptic of people like this.
Think about this, a random species 20k Light years away would have no real need to come to this unknown planet. However, a species older than imaginable who've cruised the universe in mini planet type crafts for millennia could well require use of our minerals on its journey.
An object that 'disappeared' those were his words. What else are you meant to glean from that? he's either lying or he saw something incredible, I think he's lying.
No it doesn't.
It shows an unidentified object doing nothing special at all, other than simply being observable, if it is doing something special - please link the video, with the exact time it occurs.
Whether they're ok with it or not, is neither here nor there - it was unidentified, it doesn't make an iota of difference either way whether they managed to identify it or not.
Nothing will be revealed, by anybody - because it's most likely a huge pile of nonsense.
Man of Honour
You are saying 'craft', it is something on radar they can't identify - big difference
As much as I'd love it to be true Independence Day isn't real.
If they were proper intelligent Aliens who could fly massive distances they wouldn't be messing about like they do and I doubt they have a Prime Directive like Star Trek.
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And we are so lucky to catch them on their pit stop at exactly the right time to film them from an aircraft out of Earths 4billion year lifespan.
It is most likely that there is no cheating in travelling, no worm holes, no warp drives and the sad thing is there is vast amounts of life out there but the distances are too great for communication.
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Not exactly. What is funny is that Aliens themselves wouldn't need faster than light travel. From their point of view if travelling at the speed of light they get anywhere in the universe instantly. The closer to light you get the smaller the universe contracts. So at light you are anywhere instantly. Only the destination awaiting them would still need to wait the light distance years.
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Not true.
Your instant dismissal of a method to travel faster than light is also clouding your view of the sole ability for infinite travel through space via a craft which can have fuel sourced multiple ways and provide similar civilisational structure to small planets.
If the craft described by the commander is accurate, then what I've described is far from fantasy.
Going back to FTL, the sci-fi theory of travel via wormholes cannot really be debunked and has grounds.
I can't have a sensible discussion with someone this divorced from reality. We're done here.
Caporegime
No.
You are assuming any alien species had vaguely similar physiology, etc. to ourselves. For instance very long life span, high tolerance against the effects of radiation, and ability to hibernate, etc. could mean that 70,000 years is just a blink of an eye to some theoretical species.
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What is no?
I've seen a couple of videos on it but it would take about 50 years at least from the perspective of the traveller to cross the known universe and there are a lot of issues with that beyond purely theoretical.
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Well said. We are one planet in one solar system in the corner of one galaxy. Our species has existed for barely a fraction of the time our planet has been around which itself has existed for less then 2/3rds of the universes lifespan.
Go back 1000 years ago and present a mobile phone to someone, it will be indistinguishable from magic.
To presume that we know all there is about interstellar travel and what is possible and what is not to me is folly.
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We are talking travelling exactly speed of light which is not theoretical it seems for now if not most likely ever.
Are you not thinking you have seen 50years if travelling 99.999999% or something similar
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I would have to look it up again now but I seem to recall that you have to accelerate and de-accelerate to make it work which adds minimum time to it.
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Makes sense. I would say a nearest galaxy then would be pretty speedy.
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I'm not making any such assumption, I merely said they would need some way of surviving years of space travel in order to reach us without dying along the way (whether this means natural longevity or something else).
70,000 years though, good luck with that. Give me a working practical model for a super-intelligent species with that kind of lifespan.