Straight into the No bucket for me.
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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Straight into the No bucket for me.
At Congress Grusch did not claim they were interdimensional. Grusch was answering a question directed at him by Eric Burlison who asked a question about the potential of being interdimensional
Grusch answer was talking about a theoretical framework related to holographic principle, that derives itself from general relativity and, quantum mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle
It was a theoretical framework discussion. Not a claim saying the craft are 100% interdimensional. Grusch was saying he didn't know what they are. He didn't know if they are Alien, interdimensional, human, something else.
David Grusch: "I don’t like to denote origin. Keeps the aperture open, both scientifically."
He is not claiming the craft are alien. Grusch is extremely methodical and is only calming there is an unknown craft of unknown origin that his being kept hidden and that he doesn't know what its origin is. He is not ruling anything out as he doesn't have enough information to confirm 100% what it is.
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Apologies for being late to this thread - but the below pretty much sums up my thoughts on this:
If you don't agree with certain opinions that's absolutely fine, but keep it civil, avoid the needless pedantry, and lets not resort to what is essentially bullying.
If you don't agree with certain opinions that's absolutely fine, but keep it civil, avoid the needless pedantry, and lets not resort to what is essentially bullying.
Grusch offered up inter dimensional beings for some reason. Now If he said meteorologic phenomenon…
I take it you missed my post about examining everything know to man.
I take it you haven't been in the Musk thread then?
It's like a school playground in there. Hard to believe they're grown men posting.
If he said meteorologic phenomenon he would have been talking a load of nonsense and not answering the question directed at him.
I do not see any posts from you about "everything know to men". I just seem a bunch of claims you made that are false and you trying to discredit Grush with fake things you made up. The same way you did with the videos where you said you could see aviation lights and bird wings flapping which was not true.
I was listening to a recent Event Horizon talk with a SETI guy as I trekked up the M25 at the weekend and towards the latter quarter of the episode some really interesting talking points about the thought of visitors from outer space being here. It's been mentioned here before but the convo really put it into more logical words as to why it's unlikely to be other-worldly beings, and as a sidenote, perhaps why Grusch & crew specifically label the stuff they saw as "non human intelligence" (which could also mean AI...).
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The bottom line is "show the evidence" - Data rules all, without verifiable data, any claim is just a claim, even though physics itself completely allows for aliens to exist who are space colonisation capable. The physics allows for it, time however is an entirely different matter, as are the ultimate costs involved in hauling arse across the universe to reach a destination millions of light years away that may or may not still exist upon arrival.
Looking For Signals From Alien Civilizations with Seth Shostak | John Michael Godier
Episode · John Michael Godier's Event Horizon · Have much have we looked for Aliens? The equivalent of a few bathtubs of water from the worlds oceans? Will we ever find signals from Alien Civilizations? Seth Shostak of SETI joins John Michael Godier to discuss how we are looking for signs of...
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The bottom line is "show the evidence" - Data rules all, without verifiable data, any claim is just a claim, even though physics itself completely allows for aliens to exist who are space colonisation capable. The physics allows for it, time however is an entirely different matter, as are the ultimate costs involved in hauling arse across the universe to reach a destination millions of light years away that may or may not still exist upon arrival.
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If he said meteorology events he would have been offering a plausible theory. But no, he injects aspects of an inter dimensional nature to his other claims.
According to the testimony of Major Grusch we would need to examine all vegetable animal and mineral both of the extraterrestrial and inter dimensional type. So all that is and ever was.
Maybe Mr Grusch has had his aperture set to infinity for a little too long.
He’s not fooling anyone with any sense.
From Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims
He’s basically saying it’s aliens without saying it’s aliens directly.
And any other idea doesn’t make sense, if it’s non-human technology, biology and intelligence AND it’s not aliens, wtf is it? What other than “alien” could it possibly be?
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Lets try this again.
Eric Burlison asked a question about the potential of being interdimensional.
Grusch answered the interdimensional question as a theoretical framework discussion.
If Grusch answered with a meteorology event that would not have been a plausible theory and it would it have been a valid answer in relation to what Eric asked. Grusch never said anything about needing to exam every vegetable animal and mineral both of the extraterrestrial and inter dimensional type. What nonsense are you on about now?
Do you do the same thing at work? You call your boss and fallow staff members who get promoted by there decade old junior rank? It a silly thing to do to call him Major Grusch when he is not a Major and has not been been a Major for over a decade. Why do you keep brining up his decade old job that is completely irrelevant to the dissuasion?
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Grusch only held the Rank of Major, this is his title. I’m not sure why your still upset about Grusch being a Major.
The Majors claims of having access to non human, extraterrestrial and inter dimensional samples, would cover everything in and possibly outside the universe. All that is and ever was. It’s a nice cover all bases, but baseless claim that’s impossibly difficult to investigate.
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has he made claims though to having access to inter dimensional samples or is that just something folk are making up to discredit him?
edit: perhaps not to discredit him but to try and skew the narrative somewhat?
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What statement and what back peddle? Please link.
No one is getting upset. All you are doing is making your posts less credible. As you know Gruschs Intelligence rank was far, far beyond the equivalent of Major. So pretending he is only a Major and so could not access the information is you being dishonest. Or do you now admit you are wrong and he could access the information?
If a junior sales person gets promoted to head of department running 30 + people in another company and 10 then years later become a CEO would you still call them a junior sales person when referring to them? Its not normal to refer to someone by there old job from decades ago.
At this point you keep making up claims that are not accurate or fake and you are being completely disingenuous in your posts.
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GS-15 is not a rank, it's a pay scale as you're well aware (and there are higher), and working to 'colonel equivalent' does not make him an official Colonel. The document you provided clearly states that he gained an official military rank of Major in the USAF.
If you've got any other information that states he gained rank higher than Major in the military then go for it but so far, i haven't seen anything that states that.
What is a "Intelligence rank"? As i haven't heard that term before in official military capacity.
Either way, i wouldn't get panties in a twist over his rank as it means little given doesn't necessarily determine what information he had access to; rather it's more security clearance and he was TS with SCI (going off the document you supplied), so he had access to data that most Major's/Colonel's etc wouldn't have had.
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You might have miss a few posts as this goes further back. Jigger is saying Grusch is only a junior low rank on low wage and couldn't have accessed to any of the information he had access to. Jigger is using the Major rank as a way to make it look like Grusch was just a low level junior officer and nothing more which I think he is doing as a poor attempt to try to mislead people. This all came about in reference to Grusch having access to the intelligence data.
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Arguably you could say the same by stating he wasn't a Major when it's black and white that is his military rank.
In this case, and going off the document you posted, he was a Major with TS/SCI clearance and it's the clearance that determines what information he potentially had access to, not his rank nor pay scale.
Edit - Ultimately, who cares; us plebs aren't going to hear or see any of this top secret information any way
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Major is a junior officer rank. The most junior in fact. I questioned the level of top secret data access a Major would have. You then tried to make Grusch was something other than a Major so we shouldn’t question his outrageous claims.
I questioned the Majors claims of also having access to other nations top secret alien tech programs. It’s laughable to think of the Chief of the Defence staff briefing an American Major, an officer rank OF-3.
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Isn't Major in the USAF classed as a senior officer/has duties of senior staff though?
Wiki seems to suggest that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_(United_States)#Air_Force
Regardless, he had/has top secret clearance so would have had access to data and information higher than most (in theory).