Pentagon releases UFO footage

If your source for informed intelligence on such a nuanced thing as 'security clearance' is Google, you have probably proven yourself irrelevant to informed debate on the matter of rank. There are humans in the mix here, with all their personalities, emotions, ego, moments in time of life etc so trying to create a rigid framework of "how this works" in such a circumstance is pointless and naive.

Ive seen it on forums a few times comments like "how could you possibly know that" aimed towards a person. The mindset behind that being "you could not possibly know that" because the person questioning it is oblivious. I have experience, as I am sure others do, of getting insights into stuff I'd not expect to, when I know people would rush to tell me "that can't happen" so it's safe to assume this applies to everyone, not least mixing in circles like they do. As you move up the layer cake you meet more interesting people who have access to stuff you know nothing about. Personal ego and security is a tricky balance...

Security clearance is highly guarded and comes with risks to personal who disclose secrets as it should, but we have infinite examples where people who should not be in the know are, because they spoke to someone who was in the know who started their morning coffee discussion with "I shouldn't tell you this, but" or "I know I can trust you to keep this to yourself...". Add in whistle blowers and we are off to the races, add in former presidents of the USA trying to secure some ego points to pay for fake tan....well.

Close mate of mine was a Colonel in the British Army and he spent 2 years in the Pentagon discussing stuff I have no idea about. He has retired now but the circle of people he had access to at the top of the chain would be immense and the rooms he will have been in where stuff we know nothing about would have been fascinating I am sure. Funny story on that. Motorsport magazine once talked about their circle of subscribers and mentioned "we even have one subscriber in the pentagon" which was my mate :D

My advice (by all means chose to ignore it of course) is move away from the is he credible or not as you will never agree and never be able to prove or disprove using Google as it takes you into the rabbit hole fed by people like us debating his merits from both sides, seeking date to credit / discredit :)
 
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Housey said:
If your source for informed intelligence on such a nuanced thing as 'security clearance' is Google, you have probably proven yourself irrelevant to informed debate on the matter of rank. There are humans in the mix here, with all their personalities, emotions, ego, moments in time of life etc so trying to create a rigid framework of "how this works" in such a circumstance is pointless and naive.

Ive seen it on forums a few times comments like "how could you possibly know that" aimed towards a person. The mindset behind that being "you could not possibly know that" because the person questioning it is oblivious. I have experience, as I am sure others do, of getting insights into stuff I'd not expect to, when I know people would rush to tell me "that can't happen" so it's safe to assume this applies to everyone, not least mixing in circles like they do. As you move up the layer cake you meet more interesting people who have access to stuff you know nothing about. Personal ego and security is a tricky balance...

Security clearance is highly guarded and comes with risks to personal who disclose secrets as it should, but we have infinite examples where people who should not be in the know are, because they spoke to someone who was in the know who started their morning coffee discussion with "I shouldn't tell you this, but" or "I know I can trust you to keep this to yourself...". Add in whistle blowers and we are off to the races, add in former presidents of the USA trying to secure some ego points to pay for fake tan....well.

Close mate of mine was a Colonel in the British Army and he spent 2 years in the Pentagon discussing stuff I have no idea about. He has retired now but the circle of people he had access to at the top of the chain would be immense and the rooms he will have been in where stuff we know nothing about would have been fascinating I am sure. Funny story on that. Motorsport magazine once talked about their circle of subscribers and mentioned "we even have one subscriber in the pentagon" which was my mate :D

My advice (by all means chose to ignore it of course) is move away from the is he credible or not as you will never agree and never be able to prove or disprove using Google as it takes you into the rabbit hole fed by people like us debating his merits from both sides, seeking date to credit / discredit :)
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The source is not Google. The source are the official files like the files entered into the official record from the Congress briefings and other official files along with what was said at the Congress Briefing itself.
 
Pottsey said:
The source is not Google. The source are the official files like the files entered into the official record from the Congress briefings and other official files along with what was said at the Congress Briefing itself.
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Have you got a link please, may be fun reading if I get bored. today?
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Have you got a link please, may be fun reading if I get bored. today?
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https://picdataset.com/ai-news/full...-hearing-on-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena/ its not a perfect transcribe. A few bits got missed out. Along with https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf which is Gruschs official bio profile.

“Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency” | Committee Repository | U.S. House of Representatives

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"In the US Air Force, in my national reconnaissance office, NRO reservist capacity, I was a member of the UAP task force from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one. I served at the Interrow Operation Center on the director’s briefing staff, which included the coordination of the presidential daily brief and supporting variety of contingency operations, which I was the Reserve Intelligence Division Chief, backup. In two thousand nineteen, the UAP task force director asked me to identify all special access programs and controlled access programs, also known as Sapps and Capps. We needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission, and we were direct report at the time to, the depth sector. At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence support duties, I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust, both in my military and civilian capacities. "

A fair few times people said can document X be entered into the official record. I am not to sure where we go for those.
 
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Grusch's rank is less important than his clearance. Grusch had title 50 clearance during his career and read into SAPs that people on higher pay grades were not.

As I understand, his IG complaint was that he was blocked access to areas he was on paper entitled to see. He was mandated to do a job on behalf of Congress and he was unable to complete that job due to obstruction, he now blows the whistle on this obfuscation.
 
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jigger said:
The levels of classification usually scales with sensitivity and military rank.
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Military rank has little to do with clearance otherwise civies wouldn't get it.

jigger said:
Maybe all US OF-3 intelligence offices are briefed on alien tech programs.
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Only those with clearance ;)
Either way, that's not what i've said but rather his gained clearance, 'Top Secret', potentially gave him access (directly or indirectly) to information your typical officer wouldn't have had. Whether than information included alleged ET programs then...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SexyGreyFox said:
At the end of the day it sounds like this fella Grusch is full of it.
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Likewise, i'm not convinced - when someone shows me actual hard evidence of little green men and saucers, then i'll believe it...

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visibleman said:
Military rank has little to do with clearance otherwise civies wouldn't get it.


Only those with clearance ;)
Either way, that's not what i've said but rather his gained clearance, 'Top Secret', potentially gave him access (directly or indirectly) to information your typical officer wouldn't have had. Whether than information included alleged ET programs then...¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Likewise, i'm not convinced - when someone shows me actual hard evidence of little green men and saucers, then i'll believe it...

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Most civilian contractors are former military people. Rank is everything in the forces especially to the spooks and brass.
 
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jigger said:
Most civilian contractors are former military people.
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There's a lot of civvies that have clearance.

jigger said:
Rank is everything in the forces especially to the spooks and brass.
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In the forces, sure.

Ultimately he gained clearance for his day-to-day work, so he had it for a reason. Could he have had access to information that included alleged little green men tech and programs? It's plausible but, whether he did in actual fact have access to that sort of information...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Either way, we're just going around and around and us plebs won't be told anything of worth so it's all a bit moot...
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
At the end of the day it sounds like this fella Grusch is full of it.
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Based on what, though? There is a clear path and timeline of events that would make sense as far as what he was asked to do and what he claimed happened when he tried to do it.

Is it not more likely Grusch was fed lies or disinfo rather than him lying about what happened during the project he was assigned?
 
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visibleman said:
There's a lot of civvies that have clearance.


In the forces, sure.

Ultimately he gained clearance for his day-to-day work, so he had it for a reason. Could he have had access to information that included alleged little green men tech and programs? It's plausible but, whether he did in actual fact have access to that sort of information...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Either way, we're just going around and around and us plebs won't be told anything of worth so it's all a bit moot...
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And who do you think would be in possession of a super secret alien craft?

A small super secret office of highly ranked and vetted super spooks with above top secret clearance and a lot of clout.
 
jigger said:
And who do you think would be in possession of a super secret alien craft?

A small super secret office of highly ranked and vetted super spooks with above top secret clearance and a lot of clout.
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Programs are typically staffed by all sorts (with clearance) and not usually a "super secret office" of "super spooks"; happy to read source(s) that confirm your claim though.

But did Grusch say he has personally seen these craft? Or was it he has/had witnesses who have said they've supposedly worked on the programs? Happy to be proven wrong but i've always thought it was the latter and he allegedly had access to information about programs :confused:

SexyGreyFox said:
How can you forget Bob Lazar :)
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He can certainly tell an interesting story; seems quiet about his knocking shop operation though.
 
visibleman said:
Programs are typically staffed by all sorts (with clearance) and not usually a "super secret office" of "super spooks"; happy to read source(s) that confirm your claim though.

But did Grusch say he has personally seen these craft? Or was it he has/had witnesses who have said they've supposedly worked on the programs? Happy to be proven wrong but i've always thought it was the latter and he allegedly had access to information about programs :confused:


He can certainly tell an interesting story; seems quiet about his knocking shop operation though.
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All sorts eh.
 
MookJong said:
Based on what, though? There is a clear path and timeline of events that would make sense as far as what he was asked to do and what he claimed happened when he tried to do it.

Is it not more likely Grusch was fed lies or disinfo rather than him lying about what happened during the project he was assigned?
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Love this question.
 
visibleman said:
Maybe in the US it is like the films with "super spooks" in their "super secret" offices and lairs :cry:

Shame you didn't provide any worthwhile answers to the actual questions though...
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If you believe alien craft are in hands of civil servants I don’t really have much to work with.
 
jigger said:
If you believe alien craft are in hands of civil servants I don’t really have much to work with.
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Watching an Oppenheimer documentary and he had the worlds most deadliest weapon in his hands so yes it's a small step for somebody like Oppenheimer to work with alien craft.

Just want to add there aren't any in my world.
 
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