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Isn't Major in the USAF classed as a senior officer/has duties of senior staff though?
Wiki seems to suggest that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_(United_States)#Air_Force


Regardless, he had/has top secret clearance so would have had access to data and information higher than most (in theory).

Not 100% sure but a US Major seems to be roughly an OF-3. So would be responsible for a battery sized~ command and a junior field officer. Senior staff roles would be Brigadier and above IIRC.

Whatever Major Grusch’s role was, it’s clear he was denied security clearance by his own command chain multiple times so he couldn’t have carried much security clearance.
 
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Major is a junior officer rank. The most junior in fact. I questioned the level of top secret data access a Major would have. You then tried to make Grusch was something other than a Major so we shouldn’t question his outrageous claims.

I questioned the Majors claims of also having access to other nations top secret alien tech programs. It’s laughable to think of the Chief of the Defence staff briefing an American Major, an officer rank OF-3.
Why does that matter? None of the top secret information came from when he was a Major. All the top Secret information came from his past 4 years where he did have security clearance from his new job which was different from his Major rank job. Of course its laughable that "just" a Major would have access to that top secret information.
As I point out to you he was a major in 2012 till 2016. His top Secret information information came from his newer job from 2019 to 2021 where he was not a Major.

Do you see where you have gone wrong? Do you see why its wrong of you to use his Major rank as a reason why he coudnt have access
 
Not 100% sure but a US Major seems to be roughly an OF-3. So would be responsible for a battery sized~ command and a junior field officer. Senior staff rolls would be Brigadier and above IIRC.

Whatever Major Grusch’s role was, it’s clear he was denied security clearance by his own command chain multiple times so he couldn’t have carried much security clearance.
Can you please stop making fake statements up or at least start providing evidence. Grush moved into a very high position, very senior position in the intelligence department. He had full Secret information Active TOP SECRET//SCI with CI & LS Polygraph security clearance. Grusch performed Commander level duties that's how senior he was along with at one point being a Operations Center Intelligence Chief. None of those roles are remotely Junior. All of those roles had access to the information you say he could not access.
 
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Why does that matter? None of the top secret information came from when he was a Major. All the top Secret information came from his past 4 years where he did have security clearance from his new job which was different from his Major rank job. Of course its laughable that "just" a Major would have access to that top secret information.
As I point out to you he was a major in 2012 till 2016. His top Secret information information came from his newer job from 2019 to 2021 where he was not a Major.

Do you see where you have gone wrong? Do you see why its wrong of you to use his Major rank as a reason why he coudnt have access

I’ve no idea why Grusch’s rank of Major matters so much to you Pottsey…
 
Can you please stop making fake statements up or at least start providing evidence. Grush moved into a very high position, very senior position in the intelligence department. He had full Secret information Active TOP SECRET//SCI with CI & LS Polygraph security clearance. Grusch performed Commander level duties that's how senior he was along with at one point being a Operations Center Intelligence Chief. None of those roles are remotely Junior. All of those roles had access to the information you say he could not access.

Commander, Major or equivalent of full cormorant Colonial, it makes little difference. Non are spectacularly high ranks.
 
I’ve no idea why Grusch’s rank of Major matters so much to you Pottsey…
I am trying to correct your misinformation. You are saying his rank of Major means he is a junior role and could not access the information. I am saying the Major role does not matter as he stopped being that in 2016. Its not related to what we are talking about. You are wrong to use his old Major role as a reason for why he could not access classified information. In 2017 to 2021 Grusch had a very high Senior role and high top secrete access with the extra access of SCI with CI & LS Polygraph that as far as I am aware only senior people have.

You keep saying he didn't have security clearance which is not true.

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Grusch did not have top secrete access when he was a Major in 2016.
Grusch did have top secrete access when he was promoted into intelligence at a very senior role in 2017 onwards.
 
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Not 100% sure but a US Major seems to be roughly an OF-3. So would be responsible for a battery sized~ command and a junior field officer. Senior staff rolls would be Brigadier and above IIRC.
Actually, i think you may be right as there's a few sites* that suggest a USAF Major is an O-4 (OF-3/OF-4) "...junior Field Officer".
Arguably it's all a bit moot given it makes little difference to what clearance he had/has or to what 'rank' he was working to as a civil servant.

* Sites - https://www.military-ranks.org/air-force/major, https://www.military.com/air-force/officer-ranks.html, https://veteran.com/air-force-ranks/, https://www.military-ranks.org/air-force.

... it’s clear he was denied security clearance by his own command chain multiple times so he couldn’t have carried much security clearance.
Was he denied security clearance? Must have missed that.

Either way, he gained Top Secret SCI at some point whilst at the NRO and NGA, so he would, in theory, have had access to a lot more information (at that point) than your run-of-the-mill Major/runt.

I am saying the Major role does not matter as he stopped being that in 2016.
With you on the rest of the reply although he was "Colonel equivalent" whilst a civil servant but, that doesn't supersede his military rank of USAF Major, which he still is.
 
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I am trying to correct your misinformation. You are saying his rank of Major means he is a junior role and could not access the information. I am saying the Major role does not matter as he stopped being that in 2016. Its not related to what we are talking about. You are wrong to use his old Major role as a reason for why he could not access classified information. In 2017 to 2021 Grusch had a very high Senior role and high top secrete access with the extra access of SCI with CI & LS Polygraph that as far as I am aware only senior people have.

You keep saying he didn't have security clearance which is not true.

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Grusch did not have top secrete access when he was a Major in 2016.
Grusch did have top secrete access when he was promoted into intelligence at a very senior role in 2017 onwards.

Major is a junior officer. Likely the reason why Major Grusch was refused access to information. His role as a civil servant or Rank of Major isn’t going carry much weight with the top brass.
 
Major is a junior officer. Likely the reason why Major Grusch was refused access to information. His role as a civil servant or Rank of Major isn’t going carry much weight with the top brass.
What's the source for him getting refused access to information?
Either way, he gained Top Secret SCI clearance as a civil servant, so he would have (in theory) known more than most junior officers (in the NRO/NGA any way).
 
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Major is a junior officer. Likely the reason why Major Grusch was refused access to information. His role as a civil servant or Rank of Major isn’t going carry much weight with the top brass.
So basically you deny he had a very Senior intelligence role even though everyone can see he had a Senior role with the word "Senior" in his job title. According to you a $175k role is not senior and doesn't carry much weight. Also directly briefing the President daily doesnt matter as apparently according to Jigger the President is not top brass. Grusch had full SCI with CI & LS Polygraph extra security access which proves you are wrong.
 
Actually, i think you may be right as there's a few sites* that suggest a USAF Major is an O-4 (OF-3/OF-4) "...junior Field Officer".
Arguably it's all a bit moot given it makes little difference to what clearance he had/has or to what 'rank' he was working to as a civil servant.

* Sites - https://www.military-ranks.org/air-force/major, https://www.military.com/air-force/officer-ranks.html, https://veteran.com/air-force-ranks/, https://www.military-ranks.org/air-force.


Was he denied security clearance? Must have missed that.

Either way, he gained Top Secret SCI at some point whilst at the NRO and NGA, so he would, in theory, have had access to a lot more information (at that point) than your run-of-the-mill Major/runt.


With you on the rest of the reply although he was "Colonel equivalent" whilst a civil servant but, that doesn't supersede his military rank of USAF Major, which he still is.

Security clearance is a scale and somewhere on that scale Grusch was refused access. A Major having access to other nations is laughable.

Rewatch the testimony and listen to Grusch and his lawyers interview with the BBC.
 
Security clearance is a scale and somewhere on that scale Grusch was refused access. A Major having access to other nations is laughable.

Rewatch the testimony and listen to Grusch and his lawyers interview with the BBC.
How many times do we have to explain he didn't have access because he was a major. He had access because he was a very Senior head of department in charge of the Intelligence team as a NGA Senior Geospatial Intelligence Officer. He access level was SCI with CI & LS Polygraph. That means he had access to not only Top Secrete level but also access to Sensitive Compartmentalized Information as well as full Special Project Access rights. Which only the most Senior staff have access to. That is how he had access to other nations data as he was part of the Intelligence alliance between the 5Eye Nations who share classified Intelligence between the Senior staff of which Grusch was one of the most Senior staff.

You need to stop getting hung up on a that he was a Major in the past. That's like me saying you was a 12 year old student in school so you cannot possibly have passed your driving test at age 30. You are not making and logical sense. His job 10+ years ago is irrelevant against his job in the past 4 years.
 
How many times do we have to explain he didn't have access because he was a major. He had access because he was a very Senior head of department in charge of the Intelligence team as a NGA Senior Geospatial Intelligence Officer. He access level was SCI with CI & LS Polygraph. That means he had access to not only Top Secrete level but also access to Sensitive Compartmentalized Information as well as full Special Project Access rights. Which only the most Senior staff have access to. That is how he had access to other nations data as he was part of the Intelligence alliance between the 5Eye Nations who share classified Intelligence between the Senior staff of which Grusch was one of the most Senior staff.

You need to stop getting hung up on a that he was a Major in the past. That's like me saying you was a 12 year old student in school so you cannot possibly have passed your driving test at age 30. You are not making and logical sense. His job 10+ years ago is irrelevant against his job in the past 4 years.

Grusch was refused access to information. Regardless of his pay grade his security clearance wasn’t of a high enough level for his requests. This would make sense because his rank is pretty far down the totem pole.

Between Grusch’s claims and rank he isn’t looking like a reliable source to me. Grusch is questionable on too many levels.
 
Security clearance is a scale
@Pottsey posted a link to this document, https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf (which appears to be legit given the URL), that states he gained 'Top Secret' SCI clearance as a civil servant. Top Secret is pretty 'far up' DoD's list of security clearance :cry:

...and somewhere on that scale Grusch was refused access.
Have you got a source that states he was refused access?
Searching Google around 'Grusch Refused Security Clearance' isn't returning anything worth while...

A Major having access to other nations is laughable.
It would be his clearance that determines what information he had access to rather than directly his rank (again don't get caught up with his rank).
Whether that access included information on other nations states secrets...it's plausible perhaps but in reality...¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rewatch the testimony and listen to Grusch and his lawyers interview with the BBC.
Have you got a link?

How many times do we have to explain he didn't have access because he was a major.
You need to stop getting hung up on a that he was a Major in the past.
IS, he is a USAF Major; nothing 'was' about it @Pottsey, it's black and white and in the document you linked to.

Edit - You two need your heads bashing together. You've got a document, that appears to be legit given it's from the US House, that clearly states in black and white what is and what isn't, yet you keep spouting fallacies. One or both of you are certainly now trolling :cry:
 
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@Pottsey posted a link to this document, https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO06/20230726/116282/HHRG-118-GO06-Bio-GruschD-20230726.pdf (which appears to be legit given the URL), that states he gained 'Top Secret' SCI clearance as a civil servant. Top Secret is pretty 'far up' DoD's list of security clearance :cry:


Have you got a source that states he was refused access?
Searching Google around 'Grusch Refused Security Clearance' isn't returning anything worth while...


It would be his clearance that determines what information he had access to rather than directly his rank (again don't get caught up with his rank).
Whether that access included information on other nations states secrets...it's plausible perhaps but in reality...¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Have you got a link?


IS, he is a USAF Major; nothing 'was' about it @Pottsey, it's black and white and in the document you linked to.

I’m sure lots of people have security clearance. The levels of classification usually scales with sensitivity and military rank.

Maybe all US OF-3 intelligence offices are briefed on alien tech programs.
 
I’m sure lots of people have security clearance. The levels of classification usually scales with sensitivity and military rank.

Maybe all US OF-3 intelligence offices are briefed on alien tech programs.
Precisely the level of classification scales with sensitivity and rank which is why Grusch at his very high senior level had SCI with CI & LS Polygraph security level with full SAP access which gives him access to the most sensitive data. Grusch was not a US OF-3 Intelligence Officer. Grusch was not an OF-3 grade. Grusch was 3rd from the very max possible pay that puts him in the top 1% highest payed staff members right near the top.

Do you even know what department Grusch worked in? He was employed to work in the governments UAP/UFO department as the NGA lead for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and Trans-Medium Anomaly.

He literally worked in the UFO Task Force or if you prefer the proper name UAP Task Force as the lead NGA Intelligence officer. He job was to investegate UFO's or the new name UAP's and he had full security clearance to do that. By 2021 Grush had been promoted to be co-lead for UAP analysis as the lead NGA representative to the UAP task force. That is why he was briefed as he job was to look into the UFO programs to see what he could find.

@visibleman yes you are right. I keep forgetting that unless you screw up the rank stays with you after you retire. That was my mistake.
 
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This is getting daft now about this Major tennis match.
What the hell does it matter? I'm sure there are very low staff members who have very high security clearances who just have to keep their mouths shut.
I'm not a Lawyer but I have access to everything my Lawyer boss has.

At the end of the day it sounds like this fella Grusch is full of it.
 
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Anyone remember Arthur C Clarke's documentary series from the 90s? I would make it a priority to watch every week!

 
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