Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Pottsey]

If you believe alien craft are in hands of civil servants I don’t really have much to work with.

If there is an craft of unknown origin it would be in the skunkworks projects like the ones run by Lockheed Martin which wouldn't mostly have military personally but rather civil servants and civilians. R&D is not typically done by your front line military officers. Rather R&D inside SAP and CAPS projects are run by civil servants, engineers and Scientists. Most military contractors are not former military more so when we are talking R&D.

 

[visibleman]

If you believe alien craft are in hands of civil servants I don’t really have much to work with.

Not at all which is why i haven't said "...alien craft are in hands of civil servants..." nor have i mentioned anything about "...possession of a super secret alien craft".

Still curious to know what a "super spook" is though? Is that like a Ninja James Bond?

 

[jigger]

Watching an Oppenheimer documentary and he had the worlds most deadliest weapon in his hands so yes it's a small step for somebody like Oppenheimer to work with alien craft.

Just want to add there aren't any in my world.

Fair point, but this would be a little different than starting a project to use the advancement in fission research to build a weapon. The nuclear age was coming regardless the goal of the manhattan project was to be first.

 

[Felon]

If there is an craft of unknown origin it would be in the skunkworks projects like the ones run by Lockheed Martin which wouldn't mostly have military personally but rather civil servants and civilians.

It doesn't make sense.

Grusch claims that the US is in competition with other countries, to capture and "reverse engineer" this technology of so-called unknown origin, because it would give it a huge military advantage if it could do so.

So why would the US need to capture and reverse engineer, something it's own military contractor (Lockheed Martin) has already produced for it?

 

[jigger]

It doesn't make sense.

Grusch claims that the US is in competition with other countries, to capture and "reverse engineer" this technology of so-called unknown origin, because it would give it a huge military advantage if it could do so.

So why would the US need to capture and reverse engineer, something it's own military contractor (Lockheed Martin) has already produced for it?

And why would Lockheed Martin risk these priceless craft by flying them from say Nevada to San Diego and trolling the Navy and Air Force.

 

[Felon]

And why would Lockheed Martin risk these priceless craft by flying them from say Nevada to San Diego and trolling the Navy and Air Force.

It's also funny how you could classify something made by Lockheed Martin, as a "craft of non-human origin" as in, it's so advanced and so ahead of it's time that it doesn't contain any writing (anywhere) stuff like wires, or components which can be traced to earth and humans, (say a chipset or other electronics) - none of that it is there because the thing is so cutting edge.

 

[Pottsey]

It doesn't make sense.

Grusch claims that the US is in competition with other countries, to capture and "reverse engineer" this technology of so-called unknown origin, because it would give it a huge military advantage if it could do so.

So why would the US need to capture and reverse engineer, something it's own military contractor (Lockheed Martin) has already produced for it?

Can you quote which bit from the Congress briefing your are talking about?

If the recovered UAP's are not all the same craft then there is the potential to gain different technology/advantages from different recoveries. Plus if you recover the unknown craft that's one less object someone from outside the 5Eyes alliance can recover to gain knowledge from.

In military terms using real craft think of it like this. Say one of the classified Stealth BlackOps helicopters crashed. Then China somehow managed to recovery it first. Then for for some reason a Stealth Bomber crashed. Would China then ignore the Stealth Bomber because they already recovered the classified Stealth BlackOps helicopters. Of course not, if they had that opportunity they would want to see what they can learn from the 2nd crash. The same applys to any UAP recoverys.

As I wrote this I just had another thought. If a craft crashed then you would expect parts of it to be damaged beyond use. If a 2nd object crashed you would want to recovery it to see if you can learn anything new by recovering different parts. Plus if you are having trouble backward Engineering what ever technology you found inside the craft then finding a 2nd craft would be helpful. Lastly if there is say a 1 crash today and one crash 20 years ago or what ever the time difference is. You would want to recovery the new crash to see what if anything has changed in that craft of unknown origin. Is it 100% the same as the last craft, has it changed somehow in design over time?

EDIT: If you mean why would the US need to recovery and capture a craft they produced but crashed which was based on a skunkworks project. Well surly that's pretty obvious.

 

[Felon]

Can you quote which bit from the Congress briefing your are talking about?

It's central to one of his main claims:

David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During a July 26, 2023 Congressional hearing, Grusch said that he "was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access"[24] and that he believes that the U.S. government is in possession of UAP based on his interviews with 40 witnesses over four years.[25] Grusch claimed in response to Congressional questions that the U.S. has retrieved "non-human" biological matter from the pilots of the crafts and that this "was the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the [UAP] program I talked to, that are currently still on the program".

Say one of the classified Stealth BlackOps helicopters crashed. Then China somehow managed to recovery it first. Then for for some reason a Stealth Bomber crashed. Would China then ignore the Stealth Bomber because they already recovered the classified Stealth BlackOps helicopters. Of course not, if they had that opportunity they would want to see what they can learn from the 2nd crash. The same applys to any UAP recoverys.

If the US loses an aircraft with sensitive tech on it, it normally either retrieves it or blows it up - there's no way the US would let China capture something like that if it could.

When the F35 crashed in the south china sea not long ago, the US recovered it from 12400 feet deep... There's no way the US would let an enemy get it's hand on tech like that, it would pull out all the stops to prevent it.

The US is also very careful, you only have to look at Ukraine to realise how much stuff the US are holding back, because they'd never want Russia to capture some of their more sensitive stuff, the US would not throw assets around if there was a risk of them being captured and the technology stolen.

 

[Felon]

EDIT: If you mean why would the US need to recovery and capture a craft they produced but crashed which was based on a skunkworks project. Well surly that's pretty obvious.

No.

I'm asking why the US would need to recover and reverse-engineer (as Grusch claimed) a craft that you say they {Skunkworks/Lockheed Martin} produced.

Why would they need or care about reverse-engineering something they already know, because they were the people who made it in the first place.

 

[Pottsey]

No.

I'm asking why the US would need to recover and reverse-engineer (as Grusch claimed) a craft that you say they {Skunkworks/Lockheed Martin} produced.

Why would they need or care about reverse-engineering something they already know, because they were the people who made it in the first place.

Grusch's and the other witness claims are not the same as my unproven idea. So I am not sure what the problem is you are seeing. Grusch is saying it looks like there is a project with a crafts of unknown origin with a reverse engineering program and that this project is illegally being run and illegally being funded.

I am saying perhaps its possibly that one of the illegal skunkworks projects using experimental tech failed and crashed and was recovery by someone else outside the program before people involved in the illegal SAP could intercept the crash site. Possibly the people outside the illegal project mistakes the crash as a UFO due to its exotic technology and not matching anything on record. Another possibility lets say for arguments sake we pretend one of Lockheed Martins illegal prototype craft from the skunkworks crashed and RTX (Raytheon) recovery the illegal project first and then Raytheon would want to reverse engineer it. Its one of the questions that came up in Congress so its not only me who has thought alone these lines.

Eric Burlison said something like "would it be safe to say that there could be scenario today where you have, an aircraft that crashes And because it’s been involved in one program from one federal agency and but different agency that retrieves it, is not aware of that program and to them, it it appears alien in origin." (Text is a little bit off from the transcribe)

 

[Felon]

Grusch is saying it looks like there is a project with a crafts of unknown origin with a reverse engineering program and that this project is illegally being run and illegally being funded.

See I just don't see the "Why"

Why is it being illegally run and funded, if the US has possession of secret breakthrough technology, technology so advanced it's classified as "unknown origin" or whatever, why would it have to be illegally run and funded?

Eric Burlison said something like "would it be safe to say that there could be scenario today where you have, an aircraft that crashes And because it’s been involved in one program from one federal agency and but different agency that retrieves it, is not aware of that program and to them, it it appears alien in origin." (Text is a little bit off from the transcribe)

It just doesn't add up, none of it adds up.

The idea that Skunkworks crashes a flying-saucer, but Raytheon recover it and deem it "alien" because it's so advanced, - it's so far-fetched it's silly.

 

[jigger]

Grusch's and the other witness claims are not the same as my unproven idea. So I am not sure what the problem is you are seeing. Grusch is saying it looks like there is a project with a crafts of unknown origin with a reverse engineering program and that this project is illegally being run and illegally being funded.

I am saying perhaps its possibly that one of the illegal skunkworks projects using experimental tech failed and crashed and was recovery by someone else outside the program before people involved in the illegal SAP could intercept the crash site. Possibly the people outside the illegal project mistakes the crash as a UFO due to its exotic technology and not matching anything on record. Another possibility lets say for arguments sake we pretend one of Lockheed Martins illegal prototype craft from the skunkworks crashed and RTX (Raytheon) recovery the illegal project first and then Raytheon would want to reverse engineer it. Its one of the questions that came up in Congress so its not only me who has thought alone these lines.

Eric Burlison said something like "would it be safe to say that there could be scenario today where you have, an aircraft that crashes And because it’s been involved in one program from one federal agency and but different agency that retrieves it, is not aware of that program and to them, it it appears alien in origin." (Text is a little bit off from the transcribe)

A far fetched hypothesis. Two really stupid government run agencies crashing priceless aircraft in hostile areas and then those agencies potentially reverse engineering each other’s work assuming it’s of extraterrestrial origins.

 

[Pottsey]

See I just don't see the "Why"

Why is it being illegally run and funded, if the US has possession of secret breakthrough technology, technology so advanced it's classified as "unknown origin" or whatever, why would it have to be illegally run and funded?

Most likely money and corruption. The working idea right now is the missing funds from the failed Pentagon audit are being diverted. They think the missing money for legal Congress approved SAPs are being diverted into illegal SAPS that are hidden from Congress. Not only are these SAPS being funded illegally but as they are not on record with zero oversight all the profit they make goes straight into the pockets of the people running them.

It just doesn't add up, none of it adds up.

The idea that Skunkworks crashes a flying-saucer, but Raytheon recover it and deem it "alien" because it's so advanced, - it's so far-fetched it's silly.

I didn’t mean that’s precisely what is happening. It was an example to try and get the idea across to you. The idea its self is sound despite you lack of ability to understand it. I am not saying it happened precisely as per that example just something along those lines is possible.

You just need to look at the “Alien Invasion” going off in Peru right now to see how people can misunderstand and mistake things as being different for what they are.

A far fetched hypothesis. Two really stupid government run agencies crashing priceless aircraft in a hostile areas and then those agencies potentially reverse engineering each other’s work assuming it’s of extraterrestrial origins.

It’s not farfetched as it was brought up in Congress. The agencies involved are not run by the government and they are not crashing the craft on purpose. It makes far more sense then all your crazy even more farfetched hypothesis’s you put out.

 

[jigger]

Most likely money and corruption. The working idea right now is the missing funds from the failed Pentagon audit are being diverted. They think the missing money for legal Congress approved SAPs are being diverted into illegal SAPS that are hidden from Congress. Not only are these SAPS being funded illegally but as they are not on record with zero oversight all the profit they make goes straight into the pockets of the people running them.



I didn’t mean that’s precisely what is happening. It was an example to try and get the idea across to you. The idea its self is sound despite you lack of ability to understand it. I am not saying it happened precisely as per that example just something along those lines is possible.

You just need to look at the “Alien Invasion” going off in Peru right now to see how people can misunderstand and mistake things as being different for what they are.



It’s not farfetched as it was brought up in Congress. The agencies involved are not run by the government and they are not crashing the craft on purpose. It makes far more sense then all your crazy even more farfetched hypothesis’s you put out.

It’s very far fetched. You need better spitballs as this sounds like something Major Grusch would propose.

 

[jigger]

Private firms are not going to be funding or running a reverse engineering program of ET’s ship.

 

[Felon]

@Pottsey

Have you for a moment, stopped to consider that maybe David Grusch and the people involved with this story, are royally mugging you off?

The idea its self is sound despite you lack of ability to understand it.

You really think it's a sound idea?

Company A makes an advanced cutting edge vehicle, so advanced it's earns the accolade of "non-human in origin" containing a "non-human pilot" then Company A drops the ball so badly it crashes, they lose it and Company B just to happen to stumble upon it - no problem there, that's all fine and dandy...

It's just baloney @Pottsey it really is, it's a really really rubbish idea...

 

[FoxEye]

I didn’t mean that’s precisely what is happening. It was an example to try and get the idea across to you. The idea its self is sound despite you lack of ability to understand it. (snip)

I'd be really curious as to how anything made by humans would be mistaken for something of alien origin.

Our current (best) tech relies heavily on semiconductors, pcbs, copper wires, solder, etc.

Anything at all "advanced" would be stuffed full of recognisable technology, clearly human in origin. Heck, the capacitors and stuff are doubtless marked with recognisable human standards.

I don't see how it would be possible, under any circumstances, to fail to recognise something as human tech, and assume it was alien. Something, that is, sufficiently complex to be able to fly.

They would probably also be able to discern construction techniques, marks from cutting tools, etc. I don't think there would be any doubt whatsoever that it was human in origin.

 

[Felon]

They would probably also be able to discern construction techniques, marks from cutting tools, etc. I don't think there would be any doubt whatsoever that it was human in origin.

That's a really good point,

The materials involved would have to be nothing like what we have access to, anything that's been welded, tempered, heat treated, processed - would as you say, give it away.

Then there's the materials problem itself, new materials with amazing properties normally come from the scientific world and involve a nobel prize (such as Graphene) and take years of theory, process and prototype before it can be turned into anything.

The idea that a company has somehow leapfrogged what would normally be 10/20 years of extreme research with the cleverest minds and universities, without anyone knowing - to turn it into a UFO and then crash it...

lol.

 

[jigger]

I'd be really curious as to how anything made by humans would be mistaken for something of alien origin.

Our current (best) tech relies heavily on semiconductors, pcbs, copper wires, solder, etc.

Anything at all "advanced" would be stuffed full of recognisable technology, clearly human in origin. Heck, the capacitors and stuff are doubtless marked with recognisable human standards.

I don't see how it would be possible, under any circumstances, to fail to recognise something as human tech, and assume it was alien. Something, that is, sufficiently complex to be able to fly.

They would probably also be able to discern construction techniques, marks from cutting tools, etc. I don't think there would be any doubt whatsoever that it was human in origin.

The people inspecting the craft would need to be morons. So in this scenario we have morons reverse engineering alien tech, that if we take these outrageous claims at face value defeat just about all known principles of physics. Yeah-nah.

 

[jigger]

That's a really good point,

The materials involved would have to be nothing like what we have access to, anything that's been welded, tempered, heat treated, processed - would as you say, give it away.

Then there's the materials problem itself, new materials with amazing properties normally come from the scientific world and involve a nobel prize (such as Graphene) and take years of theory, process and prototype before it can be turned into anything.

The idea that a company has somehow leapfrogged what would normally be 10/20 years of extreme research with the cleverest minds and universities, without anyone knowing - to turn it into a UFO and then crash it...

lol.

We cracked graphene, but yeah lots of potentially world, even galaxy changing technology. A whole new world, a new fantastic point of view. No one to tell us no or where to go or say we're only dreaming.