If the claim was something like a single ancient craft was found buried miles underground then it would become slightly more believable because of the geological time scales involved, however the potential distances and timeframes these craft would have to potentially traverse are truly mind boggling. Claims of regular interstellar/galactic visitation of advance craft whipping around at mach 70 that randomly fall from the sky are just so far fetched and at odds with technological level required to make such a journey. Grusch claims the US alone has numerous alien craft and with the US making up such a small part of the earths land mass, would statistically mean these things should be seen crashing/flying around everywhere.
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If the claim was something like a single ancient craft was found buried miles underground then it would become slightly more believable because of the geological time scales involved, however the potential distances and timeframes these craft would have to potentially traverse are truly mind boggling. Claims of regular interstellar/galactic visitation of advance craft whipping around at mach 70 that randomly fall from the sky are just so far fetched and at odds with technological level required to make such a journey. Grusch claims the US alone has numerous alien craft and with the US making up such a small part of the earths land mass, would statistically mean these things should be seen crashing/flying around everywhere.
To me, the idea that aliens would be flying around in a "craft" or "spaceship" seems asinine and just silly.
It feels like we still haven't managed to shake off 1950s Hollywood, and this idea that they have machines, craft, ships or shuttles, just feels wrong to me.
I imagine, that if they really could get here, or were already here - there would be so much distance between our understanding of technology and machinery vs theirs, that we might not even be able to recognise it as technology at all, or even see or detect it.
It feels like we still haven't managed to shake off 1950s Hollywood, and this idea that they have machines, craft, ships or shuttles, just feels wrong to me.
I imagine, that if they really could get here, or were already here - there would be so much distance between our understanding of technology and machinery vs theirs, that we might not even be able to recognise it as technology at all, or even see or detect it.
Man of Honour
I posted a few easy to read sentences in direct and relevant reply to your post. I know you don't find reading that hard, so you must just be narked by someone not agreeing with you.
Soldato
why would i be narked, i posted a throw away comment about a possibility. you felt the need to post a wall of text to try and discredit that comment with zero basis for your claims. that's a load of waffle in my book, sorry if that's upset you to the point you want to feel i'm narked. post as much waffle as you want fella, no skin off my nose.
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Soldato
but i was talking about the congressional hearing. so your reply to me really should have been about the same. and lets be honest, us politics has looked silly for a long long time.
Soldato
again, you're probably right. i only posted a suggestion/possibly reason why they might crash (if they even exist, which i highly doubt)
Man of Honour
I posted a few sentences, which is only "a wall of text" to someone who finds reading very difficult. Some people do. Dyslexia is a thing.
I was making a counter-argument to an argument put forward on a public forum. That's part of what public forums are for.
I succinctly explained my reasoning, clearly showing the basis for my arguments.
Your reply made no attempt to address any of them, just complaining. So I think you're narked.
Is it easier for you to read if I separate the post like that so it isn't a "wall of text"?
Many of the extraordinary and normal claims you have listed so far are 100% false in that you Jigger made them up and they never happened.
As for evidence false as evidence has been handed over and shown. Like the failed audit which is evidence and shows Grusch is telling the truth. We also know about the sensor data and documents that have been handed over to Congress which are all forms of evidence.
We have already proven your Mach 70 comment was wrong and your mistake. There was no craft moving at Mach 70 as you got the math completely wrong so why are you bringing up this false claim again? The object was moving at approx Mach 2 to Mach 3. The official documentation says Mach 2 and the people at the Congress briefing said Mech 2 and I did the math getting between Mach 2 and 3. So please stop it with your Mach 70 false claim.
As for crashing did you miss that the recovery craft was from outside the US? I believe in one of the interviews it was mentioned buried in an archology dig site and anther one was from Italy. There was zero mention of any craft crashed and recovered from inside the US. Like it was said before we don't have a problem with you disagreeing with Grush and wanting to see more evidence. But at least argue against what was actually said not all this made up stuff in your head that are not true and never happened.
As for statistically these things crashing and flying around all over. That's what some people are arguing. Extrapolating the data there appears to have been well over 1 million sightings across the world. The latest document is up on the official AARO website based on military muti sensor platform data showing world wide UAP events. https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/Latest_UAP_Reporting_Trends.pdf?ver=IDw3-QTqIAH3154fJq-Mlg==×tamp=1687799023644 The world map is notable hotspots only rather then a world map of full sightings.
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Well it was about the congressional hearing,
Sean Kirkpatrick’s (head of the AARO) comments ripping into David Grusch’s so-called “testimony” at that hearing, as a complete BSer and charlatan are significant.
Kirkpatrick is head of the department tasked by the government for properly looking into these things, and as far as I can tell he seems legit and sensible.
Soldato
i put forward no argument, i simply said 'maybe/possibly' - you know what a throw away comment is.
no, you waffled, as your prone to do, but ultimately you haven't got the foggiest clue how an advanced alien species would operate. (not that i believe these are alien craft we're dealing with)
nothing to address, waffle is waffle.
and as for your childish, almost passive-aggressive attempts to question my reading ability, that's just silly. reading what you wrote was extremely easy for me. i get it, you like to waffle, hell you wrote a veritable essay recently just to point out someone used a word wrong. me pointing that out doesn't imply any lack of comprehension on my part but thank you for considering that i may have had issues with reading, even if it was fake consideration.
Soldato
come one man, i was specifically referring to the hearings committee and asked had they dismissed his testimony etc. your post and link didn't back up your claim they had dismissed his bs and told him to do one.
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer:
Have those saying Grusch is full of BS actually read the bill Schumer is putting into law? Do you really think this was created off the back of BS and fresh air?
Have those saying Grusch is full of BS actually read the bill Schumer is putting into law? Do you really think this was created off the back of BS and fresh air?
Soldato
What you’re seeing in this thread is people on both sides steadfastly refusing to be open minded either way. It seems folk have fallen into the 2 camps of ‘it bloody well is aliens’ or ‘it’s a load of cobblers and yer man is a complete charlatan’
No thought seems to be given that there might just be a middle ground whereby it’s not aliens and Grusch isn’t a charlatan. I like to think I sit firmly in the middle ground. I don’t believe it’s alien tech zipping around but I equally don’t think Grusch is on a grift. Mistaken, misunderstanding, maybe even being fed false info to keep him away from whatever hidden programs he’s ended up sniffing around is what I tend to think these hearings might possibly uncover.
Based on the evidence that's been presented (nil), it's beyond naive to give Grush any credence at all.
Implying that there's some sort of middle ground where it's perhaps "open minded" to sit on the fence and consider both outcomes as somewhat probable, I think is bad judgement.
You absolutely have to ask serious questions about the claims he makes, and the moment you ask the most basic questions - the whole thing falls down and makes no sense.
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These people have put themselves and claims up for public scrutiny. Now they’re being publicly scrutinised.
What middle ground are you talking about? What is it you feel people are missing?
Soldato
Evidence has been put forward. Just not to the public!
Associate
I'm a member of the public, so I can't comment on the evidence.
Soldato
Exactly!
Associate
I'm not pushing for the evidence, it's either available to me or it isn't. 'I don't think it's anything special' is my default position.
Well apart from all the classified, super top secret things what Grusch has told us about this evidence, that he can’t divulge of course.
Numerous alien space craft
Possession of alien bodies
Details of murders and goon hitmen
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