It’s not a narrative. Pointing out the error in peoples positions is making an argument, but let’s leave that there as our definitions of arguments and narratives seem to differ.
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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It’s not a narrative. Pointing out the error in peoples positions is making an argument, but let’s leave that there as our definitions of arguments and narratives seem to differ.
Soldato
apologies, narrative is probably the wrong word.
but i'm sorry, there's no error to point out in my position. my position is simply this.........it's interesting, we don't have all the info presented, i'd like to see/know more and that's it. that's my position. there's no error to point out, there's no argument to be made. there's only an argument to be made if wish to simply browbeat every one who doesn't scream 'it's all a scam' with their every post.
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Soldato
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The sad thing about all this is that went it turns out to be rubbish the believers will say the truth was surpressed.
Absolutely no problem and no need to apologise, although it is greatly appreciated that you have the capacity to offer one. Good wholesome arguments made in good faith, even if adversely are what civilisation is built on. I’m honestly just trying to better understand your position, we don’t have to get upset with each other because we disagree.
How do you mean based on the evidence presented (Nil)
Are you expecting to be shown this evidence. I'm pretty much sure Evidence has in fact been shown to those that "Need" to know.
Or Have I misunderstood what was said in that hearing
Grusch has talked about his evidence. Unverified, third party hearsay of the extraordinary variety regarding craft and aliens he has never seen. If we take him at his word.
There are two problems.
First, the evidence Grusch says he has is hearsay - that is, he heard it from someone else, he hasn't actually seen anything first hand.
Secondly, nobody knows what has been handed over to whom, or even if it has at all - so it's complete conjecture and guesswork on the part of everybody else.
On the question of, am I expecting to be shown this evidence, I suppose I am yes.
I'm expecting to see it, because the claims he's made to Newsnation, Ross Coultard, Leslie Kean, Ralph Blumenthal, have been made in public via the media. For him to now apparently retreat behind some shady government veil, and not reveal anything - to me is disingenuous and dishonest.
It's disingenuous and dishonest, because it looks like he's doing it to gain attention - why try to push the govenment under the bus with the claims, (some of which are quite serious, people being killed etc) then retreat behind closed doors with the real facts, after running his mouth off all over the place, in public.
It simply does not feel, like how a reasonable, serious person with integrity and honesty would behave.
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Absolutely. Grusch had two offers to show his evidence privately to government departments that he refused and went public with. When asked to show proof of these claims, then state the information is classified, but than goes on the talk about this highly classified information in great detail while claiming the information can only be shown to those with clearance. Clearance he himself doesn’t have and the department’s that made the offer to look at his evidence and investigate do.
Grusch then joins the whistle blower program and congress is lobbied to call a hearing and give testimony to a panel of average people and career politicians with political agendas to whom he supposedly handed over classified documents for 11 hours. That must have a mountain of documents he handed over to people with little understanding or capacity to scrutinise classified programs. Easy pickings some could say. Cynical I know.
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Man of Honour
I knew it, it's a Megastructure -
www.tweaktown.com
Lunar rover discovers hidden structures beneath the moon's surface
A group of researchers have mapped out the first 1,000 feet below the moon's surface, uncovering previously unnoticed hidden structures.
www.tweaktown.com
Soldato
100% - there’s not enough honesty and acceptance when one makes an error (especially online when a poster can just pick and choose what to reply to) it’s also very easy to mistake a persons viewpoint purely from words on a screen when having a debate. Your post is actually quite refreshing to read given how some others prefer to resort to silly digs rather than constructive conversation.
Can you please stop making up all these fake narratives like you have been for the past few months. Your post is inaccurate and made up like all the other fake claims you made. Why do you constantly muddle everything up and change facts around from what really happened?
Grusch didn't refuse to show evidence as he spent 11 hours handing over the evidence and going though it and this was all well before the Congress public briefing. That's why they said his claims are credible and urgent. Your timeline is completely made up Grusch joined the whistle blower program back in 2021 or there abouts along with all the others going though the whistle blowers people that you conveniently forget about. The 11 hours of classified documents and going over the evidence wasnt for the average people and career politicians at the Congress briefing that came later. You keep using hearsay completely incorrectly as well. The core of Grushs complaint the secrete hidden projects and missing money has been substantiated publicly so its not hearsay. Same for the harassment it has been substantiated.
As for saying the people have little understanding or capacity that seems to be a flat out lie which you are making that up, like all the other fake claims you made up. The evidence shows they do have the background, understanding and capacity so why are you claiming the opposite?
False. Fake news.
Man of Honour
The moon is almost certainly an ex-[art of Earth once Theia (giant-impact hypothesis) crashed into it taking out a massive chunk and accumulating massive amounts of dust that clumped with the chunk over hundreds of millions of years of years to then form the moon. 'There's no doubt that volcanic activity and other geological activity took place for that time as the Earth's gravity acted upon the mass of debris creating those structures below the surface before hardening and going dead.I knew it, it's a Megastructure -
Lunar rover discovers hidden structures beneath the moon's surface
A group of researchers have mapped out the first 1,000 feet below the moon's surface, uncovering previously unnoticed hidden structures.
Yeah, and I misunderstood the point you made somewhat. Grusch has made his claims and regardless of how outlandish or baseless they are I can understand the call for time to see the evidence. The guy has gone about this all the wrong way if he is telling the truth IMO but I can respect someone offering him the opportunity to right those wrongs.
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He hasn't gone about it the wrong way. Grusch followed the correct policy and procedure following the protocol he was meant to follow to the letter. Grusch wants to share the evidence and its not Grusch that is refusing to allow it.
That does pretty much sum up many of your posts and claims. All fake. The question is why do you keep doing it when its so easy to prove you are posting fake news and fake claims? Like when you said "and the department’s that made the offer to look at his evidence and investigate do." in refence to clearance level yet another fake claim as the department made it clear they do not have clearance. THey said that publicly they are missing clearance to look at everything. Furthermore that department made it impossible to contact them for the past year with no email, no website, no phone number, no form to fill out. So why are you calming they do have access and publicly we know they do not?
False, he has.
How so? He followed the procedure and policy set out to him precisely how he was meant to. He is not breaking any of the rules and doing what he has been told. He is going about it the right and correct way as per the whistle-blower policy. You say he is going about it wrong which must mean he is breaking the rules. So what rule is he doing wrong?
I guess I am going to get no response about your fake news and fake claims?
Soldato
oh without a doubt he's gone about this all wrong, plus i don't think he's discovered what he thinks he has. i still reckon he's discovered summat, just not aliens or anything so exciting.
Because Grusch went about things in the worst possible way.
He went about it in the only legal way there was to do it. How is that the worst possible way? He followed the whistle-blower policy which is the correct way. What else could he have done? You keep saying he has done it wrong, what in detail has he done wrong?
Why are you calling the correct way the worst possible way?
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