Pentagon releases UFO footage

Lysander said:
You watch a lot of this stuff.

I know you want to believe.
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Absolutely, I'd love to be wrong but as of yet nothing to convince me but it still fascinates me.
I've already got a few lined up: Aliens in Alaska, Aliens at the Pentagon 2018, Alien Chronicles Top UFO Encounters 2020 and Aliens On The Moon The Truth Exposed 2014 :)
I suppose it was the incident with the BBC program that slaughtered Daniken that made me very sceptical.
Following Alien/UFO stories 5 decades I've also seen a trend for Aliens looking like anything but now people agree on The Grey.
I'm now waiting for all their vehicles becoming a couple of models instead of the 1000s we have :)

I also watch a lot of religious documentaries even though I'm an atheist.
 
Lysander said:
Yes, Aldrin and Armstrong were constantly hounded by lunar aliens, and had their equipment regularly tampered with to the point where it hardly became worthy of commentary. That documentary should be an interesting record of evidence.
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pp111 said:
I dunno. I think shows like that just fuel the current wave of conspiracy believers and the way they are presented is largely harmful to non-intelligent people.
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I watch tons of conspiracy and fringe stuff for entertainment. Literally for the story. The way people read political fiction or spy novels. Or science fiction. How can you like X-files or Stargate but not all the "based on true events and artefacts" stories offed by ancient alienists or Lazar or Delonge's crowd. Now obviously, as with every work of fiction some of the CTs are tacky and naively constructed - but there are often absolute masterpieces, at least during early "debut" stages - the John Titor hoax back in the day, early Mandela Effect stuff, new wave of simulation theory circa 2019/2020 or the advanced civilisation before flood 12,000 BC. Fantastic reads. Superb to witness. Yes, "the sequels" are usually poor, nutters/poor writers usually take over, story falls apart, but in general to me conspiracy stuff is more interesting because it's usually created by groups, over the years, and their tale often goes into fascinating intricate details to flesh out our first world paranoias and plays so well on the strings of real events.

Ancient Aliens (Daeniken) stuff was a very good scifi-ish read in the eighties, because it was one of the most detailed, prepped, carefully woven stories on paper. As Dimples (SexyGreyFox) already mentioned, the story quickly lose its charm once you watch questions or interviews with the author (or these days authors), but that's the case with most of the CTs. But the biggest damage is TV schedule, when you get contract for 20 episodes per season and several seasons, the story inevitably has to dilute into "see this round rock here, surely aliens" pounded into viewer for 40 minutes straight and becomes "Eastenders of CTs" rather than "Lost". The thrill is gone.

Is it harmful to non-intelligent people? Not more so than other esoteric myths and stories maintained among large groups among modern society - believing in chakras, tai chi, take won do, homeopathy, Karma, prayers or other ways of wishing things into reality - "Secret"s etc. Not more so than any other media letting confirmation bias run wild. Is Tsoukalos talking about ancient astronauts visiting earth to **** around with our DNA any different than Elon Musk talking about mathematical odds of us being in "base reality" or millions of pastors talking about some mythical messiah son of an old angry god turning water into wine? Is his conspiracy more harmful to non-intelligent people than other conspiracies peddled by media - people believing in a secret society of bureaucrats in Brussels plotting against British sovereignty by limiting number of working hours and extending statutory holidays or "them" stealing elections by burning ballots in broad daylight and so on?
 
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v0n said:
I watch tons of conspiracy and fringe stuff for entertainment. Literally for the story. The way people read political fiction or spy novels. Or science fiction. How can you like X-files or Stargate but not all the "based on true events and artefacts" stories offed by ancient alienists or Lazar or Delonge's crowd. Now obviously, as with every work of fiction some of the CTs are tacky and naively constructed - but there are often absolute masterpieces, at least during early "debut" stages - the John Titor hoax back in the day, early Mandela Effect stuff, new wave of simulation theory circa 2019/2020 or the advanced civilisation before flood 12,000 BC. Fantastic reads. Superb to witness. Yes, "the sequels" are usually poor, nutters/poor writers usually take over, story falls apart, but in general to me conspiracy stuff is more interesting because it's usually created by groups, over the years, and their tale often goes into fascinating intricate details to flesh out our first world paranoias and plays so well on the strings of real events.

Ancient Aliens (Daeniken) stuff was a very good scifi-ish read in the eighties, because it was one of the most detailed, prepped, carefully woven stories on paper. As Dimples (SexyGreyFox) already mentioned, the story quickly lose its charm once you watch questions or interviews with the author (or these days authors), but that's the case with most of the CTs. But the biggest damage is TV schedule, when you get contract for 20 episodes per season and several seasons, the story inevitably has to dilute into "see this round rock here, surely aliens" pounded into viewer for 40 minutes straight and becomes "Eastenders of CTs" rather than "Lost". The thrill is gone.

Is it harmful to non-intelligent people? Not more so than other esoteric myths and stories maintained among large groups among modern society - believing in chakras, tai chi, take won do, homeopathy, Karma, prayers or other ways of wishing things into reality - "Secret"s etc. Not more so than any other media letting confirmation bias run wild. Is Tsoukalos talking about ancient astronauts visiting earth to **** around with our DNA any different than Elon Musk talking about mathematical odds of us being in "base reality" or millions of pastors talking about some mythical messiah son of an old angry god turning water into wine? Is his conspiracy more harmful to non-intelligent people than other conspiracies peddled by media - people believing in a secret society of bureaucrats in Brussels plotting against British sovereignty by limiting number of working hours and extending statutory holidays or "them" stealing elections by burning ballots in broad daylight and so on?
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I think that for me, I just find it irritating that the truth is lost under the wealth of conspiracy theories..... and even popular mythology. People often know the myth but they have no idea of the facts that sparked the myth. How many people know of the Norse Berserkers? Not many. But everyone knows what a werewolf is. How many people know why a silver bullet is supposed to kill one? Again, not many. To me, the truth is far more interesting than the myth. I guess myths are at least based on some fact, unlike some conspiracy theories, which are just based on deliberate lies. Nope, I search for the truth. I have little time for the conspiracy theories or the people who believe them.
 
pp111 said:
I think that for me, I just find it irritating that the truth is lost under the wealth of conspiracy theories..... and even popular mythology. People often know the myth but they have no idea of the facts that sparked the myth. How many people know of the Norse Berserkers? Not many. But everyone knows what a werewolf is. How many people know why a silver bullet is supposed to kill one? Again, not many. To me, the truth is far more interesting than the myth. I guess myths are at least based on some fact, unlike some conspiracy theories, which are just based on deliberate lies. Nope, I search for the truth. I have little time for the conspiracy theories or the people who believe them.
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All conspiracy theories are based on a "truth", a version of "truth", that's the anchor for their fiction. The basic mythological idea that life on this planet was created in a lab of some intelligent alien beings from out there (in case of Alien Astronauts mythology) or as a three dimensional game for beings from higher dimension not constrained by our perception of time and space (in case of Simulation mythology) has exactly the same story building blocks and components as any other creationist mythology of the past, weather created by a current religion or religions of the past turning into myths. The only thing that's different is perspective. We visit other interstellar objects so it's easier for us to create myths of others visiting us. We have simulated games so it's easier for us to create myths of being in the game.

Or even what we currently consider science - the idea of a dice toss of some basic biological components carried by a meteor that evolved over millions of rotations around the sun into several different versions of planetary life as we know today by improbable combination of perfect conditions in this particular petri dish, sheer luck and perseverance of the code itself. It's easy to paint it as such or see it as such and create different version of "truth". You can even argue that an alien astronaut follows basic rules or good story telling and occam's razor closer than complicated speculations enforced by a mainstream science etc.

I do agree with you on us loosing the mythology bit of it. I had a video channel many, many years ago diving into internet myths in what I though was an entertaining and yet loosely scientific way, poking holes in both approaches, but the reactions very soon opened my eyes to the fact that most people can only deal in absolutes - those that want to believe in fringe stuff desperately seek confirmations to their bias and a raft to hold onto, whereas those that elect to blindly follow only mainstream consensus seek to violently destroy those rafts in accordance with their own bias, and a discussion entertaining fictional outcomes and poking holes in both biases was just aimed at a very small group of viewers surrounded by an ugly to-the-death battle of both extremes with too many ricochets to land on me as a host. So in the end I either clearly failed to explain my neutral stance or simply catered for nobody in particular. I'm sure the problem was my method.

But I do encourage you to try - tell the masses about Norse Berserkers, and silver and grains of truths in myths and conspiracies, someone has to. It's also very rewarding to do, if you don't **** it up. :D
 
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...izarre-cylinder-shaped-object-over-new-mexico

Less than 48 hours after our initial reporting on an outright strange incident involving American Airlines Flight 2292 as it flew at 36,000 feet over the northeastern corner of New Mexico on February 21st, 2021, we have confirmation that the event in question did indeed occur and that it is being investigated by the FBI. The incident involved pilots of the Airbus A320 being buzzed by an unidentified cylindrical-shaped object moving at high-speed, which resulted in them querying the FAA's Albuquerque Air Route Traffic Control Center.
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Looks like the Tic-Tac has been spotted again, it would be cool if it really was aliens but it's likely some highly advanced drone
 
Minusorange said:
[..] Looks like the Tic-Tac has been spotted again, it would be cool if it really was aliens but it's likely some highly advanced drone
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I'm reminded of House - it's never aliens lupus :)

It's a shame. It would indeed be cool if it was aliens. Although also extremely dangerous. Not because they're aliens but because if they're coming here their tech and knowledge would be vastly superior to ours and that kind of gap would be a problem even if their intentions were good.
 
The real issue is whether we are getting real disclosure or propaganda.

Supposedly Russia has a flying vehicle with no wings or visible engines, like a flying capsule that they're due to release in the coming months. If true the US and others will be forced to counter with something at least similar. It could be that Russia has mastered anti gravity propulsion, free energy, which could leave others rather red faced. Different source to what I originally saw reported but this video refers to it from 37:00 onward with pictures.

 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Have you got any more links so I can have a laugh?
My Google skills have failed.
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It originally showed up in my Google News feed on the assistant and I can never find anything that appears there again unless I bookmark them at the time which I didn't on this occasion. I will have another look later but from what I can remember of it they were touting a big announcement / launching this in about 6 months time, so around late summer.
 
Minusorange said:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...izarre-cylinder-shaped-object-over-new-mexico



Looks like the Tic-Tac has been spotted again, it would be cool if it really was aliens but it's likely some highly advanced drone
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"We just had something go right over the top of us," the pilot adds. "I hate to say this but it looked like a long cylindrical object that almost looked like a cruise-missile type of thing. Moving really fast and went right over the top of us." :eek:

They're here :)
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Have you got any more links so I can have a laugh?
My Google skills have failed.
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Here's a similar link:

https://starships.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek

Although the stuff there is more scientifically plausible than thenewoc's speculation about energy sources.

On the subject of planes without wings, there was a plane that sort of looks like it doesn't have wings. It worked. Not very well, but it worked. It's possible that Russia has developed their own version for some reason.

 
There's quite a bit of chatter from various media sources this morning. The US navy saying they witness unexplained events far more than they make public etc etc

oh and Gareth Bales seen a UFO :D
 
TheOracle said:
There's quite a bit of chatter from various media sources this morning. The US navy saying they witness unexplained events far more than they make public etc etc

oh and Gareth Bales seen a UFO :D
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More proof here:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...tes-pulsating-pyramid-shaped-ufos-california/

The Pentagon is investigating bizarre images of flashing pyramid-shaped UFOs spotted over a US Navy destroyer off the coast of California.

Leaked videos showed at least three of the unidentified pulsating objects moving, sometimes in unison, above the USS Russell in July 2019.

They were filmed, moving quickly in and out of clouds, by military personnel from the ship for 18 seconds through a green-tinged night vision device.

The US Navy photographed and filmed “pyramid” shaped UFOs and “spherical” advanced transmedium vehicles; here is that footage.

Please visit my Instagram and https://t.co/5JMYxoo9sI to read all the details that I can share at this time. pic.twitter.com/58CXZ1ljAF

— Jeremy Corbell (@JeremyCorbell) April 8, 2021

Military investigators have included the images in a classified report for Congress being compiled by the Pentagon's Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force (UAPTF).

The report, detailing UFO sightings by military personnel, is due to be delivered to the Senate in June.
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Disclosure... soon.
 
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