Soldato
Ad infinitum. Tbh I gave up caring a decade or two ago. One way or another it's all a bit meh to me whether true or not
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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Unfortunately the Masonic Order of Future Alien Time-Splitters blocked me from their forum (www.lizardpeople.com). The only other way I know to communicate with them is to ingest massive quantities of LSD, the likes of which only Alice Cooper could hook me up with.
So yeah, just talking to you normies right now.
Associate
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Nice little debunking video of the triangles in the sky.
Makes absolute sense, I'm of the opinion that whilst there absolutely has to be alien life out there, we're more than likely just too damn far apart for biological life to make the journey.
Not saying it will never happen, maybe I'm wrong and some alien civilisation has developed fully robotic AI explorers where time and the hostility of space is less of an issue, and maybe they have been to Earth? But if so I can't imagine the logistics in getting the information back to home if say for example said craft has been out on the journey for thousands of years, and whether they'd even care over those timespans.
I found this rather funny.
Lol funny how these little things work out this way sometimes.
Haha I've never spotted that before. Nice.I found this rather funny.
Man of Honour
It's theoretically potentially possible to travel in a way that is effectively the same as if you were travelling faster than the speed of light. Maybe. Perhaps. The maths works. Or so I've read, because it's way over my head. But I'm talking about serious work by theoretical physicists, not crackpots. Miguel Alcubierre (sp?) was the first one to write a paper on it, but there have been others since. Essentially, you compress spacetime ahead of the ship. A "warp bubble". The ship doesn't move faster than the speed of light within the universe, so the speed limit isn't being broken. Nobody has any idea how that could be done, but apparently the maths works so it's potentially theoretically possible.
There are a few caveats and they're rather big ones. The original maths required negative mass/energy, which isn't a thing. The latest maths does make it possible with positive mass/energy, but the energy requirements are ludicrous. The equivalent of accelerating an object with the mass of a passenger plane (pretty small for a spaceship) to the equivalent of the speed of light would require energy equivalent to transforming about 20% of the entire mass of the sun into energy at perfect efficiency. That's also not a thing. That's far more energy than the entire energy output of the sun over its entire main sequence of billions of years. And that's just one small ship warping once and only to the equivalent of the speed of light. Higher speeds and/or more mass would require even more energy.
But it's not definitely absolutely impossible. Almost, but not quite.
Even if it is possible and some other people have dicovered a way to do it in a practical way, even if their ships can travel at an equivalent of many times c, I think the "just too damn far apart" thing would still apply. Even if the travel time was feasible, how would they even know we were here? The signals we've been leaking into space in all directions aren't that obvious and aren't feasibly detectable very far away on the scale of the universe.
Also, why are you of the opinion that there absolutely has to be alien life out there? Presumably alien life of at least our level of intelligence and aptitude for tool use, since you're talking in the context of space travel. I'm of the opinion that we absolutely don't know.
Great post - definately done a lot more reading than I have.
Yeah - I'd say you're more accurate on the "we absolutely don't know" because that is a definite matter of fact as we currently stand.
In a way, I'm fascinated by the ludicrous scale of the universe (as an example the photo from hubble showing thousands of galaxies) - the odds of life, even if not intelligent have got to be pretty likely.
Man of Honour
I'm probably older than you, so I've probably had more time for it. Also, I find it entertaining to find out how realistic (or unrealistic) things I read or see in fiction are. That just happens to be a sort of hobby of mine. So I find out bits of stuff about a variety of things. Nothing in any great depth.
I'd be willing to bet on it, but only something I was prepared to lose. All we can say for sure is that the chance of life existing is not zero and that there are a lot of star systems in the universe. We don't know how life exists at all. How does not life become life? We don't know what's needed for that to happen. We can give it a name - abiogenesis - but we don't know how it happens. Maybe it happens often, in circumstances that are quite common. Maybe it's so freakishly unlikely that it's only ever happened once. We don't know what's needed for life to remain alive. Then there are all the extra things we don't know about the development of life. For example, all the evidence we have indicates that life starts as prokyrotes and development of eukyrotes is essential for any life more complex than algae. All the evidence we have indicates that this happened only once on Earth. One freak occurence happening just once. That's very weird. Pretty much everything else in evolution has happened independently multiple times. What conditions are required for eukyrotes to develop from prokyrotes? We have no idea. We have no idea about too many fundamental things regarding the existence and evolution of life and we have a sample size of 1 to work with. Then there's the timing. Maybe there was life elsewhere a couple of billion years ago and it's now extinct. Maybe there's something we don't know about that more developed people reach which takes them out of the universe, something we don't have words for, so maybe that's another way life existed elsewhere in the past but doesn't any more. Or maybe there's life of some kind in billions of places and millions of species of people at least equal to humans. Maybe anything in between. I'd be willing to bet on some form of life existing elsewhere at this point in time solely because of the size of the universe but it would be a bet, a punt on unknown odds.
EDIT: I was uncertain about something I wrote, so I just looked it up. Even algae is eukyrotic, so even that's too complex a lifeform for prokyrotes. Blue-green algae isn't algae
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I've been fascinated by the progress with that kind of stuff - going from purely science fiction, to sound, though completely impossible, theory through to refining it to something we can describe in engineering terms even if a long way from actually feasible to produce.
Man of Honour
Likewise. It does raise the faint possibility that it might, in time and with a lot of brilliant work, become something that's feasible. I recently saw a short interview with Alcubierre in which he was asked if he thought it might become feasible. He thought not but didn't rule it out because of what we don't yet understand about the way the universe works. Perhaps there's something relevant concealed in that lack of knowledge. Maybe.
Quite a week...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-14/
This footage was filmed in the CIC (Combat Information Center) of the USS Omaha on July 15th 2019 in a warning area off San Diego. This footage depicts a UAP event series that reached a crescendo with one of the unknown targets entering the water. No wreckage found. None of the unknown craft were recovered. LOCATION OF SHIP 32°29'21.9”N 119°21'53.0”W TIME OF EVENT (SUBMERSION) 11pm PST (6am GMT - indicated a day ahead on display)
ADDITIONAL DETAILS
* Minimum 14 targets.
* Minimum 6ft in diameter - solid mass.
* Varying speeds from 40 kts - 138 kts (46 mph - 158 mph).
* Flight lasting longer than an hour.
* Unknowns were illuminated.
* Unable to discern origin, nor launch or landing points.
* Unknown vehicles picked up on more than two types of RADAR.
* Still images of this footage were included in the May 1st, 2020 UAPTF intelligence briefing
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft appeared to be transmedium capable, and were observed descending into the water without destruction.
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft could not be found upon entry to the water - that a submarine was used in the search - and recovered nothing.
* This footage is unclassified.
* Craft remain officially - unidentified.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-14/
This footage was filmed in the CIC (Combat Information Center) of the USS Omaha on July 15th 2019 in a warning area off San Diego. This footage depicts a UAP event series that reached a crescendo with one of the unknown targets entering the water. No wreckage found. None of the unknown craft were recovered. LOCATION OF SHIP 32°29'21.9”N 119°21'53.0”W TIME OF EVENT (SUBMERSION) 11pm PST (6am GMT - indicated a day ahead on display)
ADDITIONAL DETAILS
* Minimum 14 targets.
* Minimum 6ft in diameter - solid mass.
* Varying speeds from 40 kts - 138 kts (46 mph - 158 mph).
* Flight lasting longer than an hour.
* Unknowns were illuminated.
* Unable to discern origin, nor launch or landing points.
* Unknown vehicles picked up on more than two types of RADAR.
* Still images of this footage were included in the May 1st, 2020 UAPTF intelligence briefing
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft appeared to be transmedium capable, and were observed descending into the water without destruction.
* It is noted in intelligence reports that the “spherical” craft could not be found upon entry to the water - that a submarine was used in the search - and recovered nothing.
* This footage is unclassified.
* Craft remain officially - unidentified.
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Saw that on Reddit yesterday, that's definitely got my interest.
TRANSCRIPTION
:05 "Took off, bookin' it."
:21 “Break, OMAHA, PINCKNEY, KIDD, RAFAEL PERALTA possibility to launch helo ASAP”.
:28 "If it splashes you get a bearing and range.”
:30 “Yes sir."
:32 "... keep going bro [inaudible]”
:33 [inaudible]
:36 "... it's windy as (blanked) out there."
:42 "... got a lotta white water out there. Six foot swells."
:43 "Whoa, it's getting close."
:50 "We have, uh, 31 knots sustained wind topside, gust of 40 [knots]."
:56 “Whoa, it splashed!"
:57 “Splashed!"
:58 “Mark bearing and range.”
TRANSCRIPTION
:05 "Took off, bookin' it."
:21 “Break, OMAHA, PINCKNEY, KIDD, RAFAEL PERALTA possibility to launch helo ASAP”.
:28 "If it splashes you get a bearing and range.”
:30 “Yes sir."
:32 "... keep going bro [inaudible]”
:33 [inaudible]
:36 "... it's windy as (blanked) out there."
:42 "... got a lotta white water out there. Six foot swells."
:43 "Whoa, it's getting close."
:50 "We have, uh, 31 knots sustained wind topside, gust of 40 [knots]."
:56 “Whoa, it splashed!"
:57 “Splashed!"
:58 “Mark bearing and range.”
Soldato
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It didn't splash though it just vanished above the waterline
But it's from Corbell so it's probably cow excrement
But it's from Corbell so it's probably cow excrement
The heat signature vanished above the water yes, we aren’t looking at the object in the video.
It’s not from Corbell is it though, only via him, this one is confirmed by the Pentagon to be part of their official UAP briefing.
This is a very different beast to the dodgy Bokeh video.
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Soldato
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Anything that the Pentagon allows to be fed through Corbell or TTSA who is full of "ex" CIA employees should be met with skepticism, you don't think the Pentagon are capable of creating a show of smoke and mirrors ?
Caporegime
Whys it going so slowly?
Surely any aliens who can make it to earth can surely travel at mach 3+ in the atmosphere?
Surely any aliens who can make it to earth can surely travel at mach 3+ in the atmosphere?
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Yes of course they are, but what is the evidence for that? If you are calling the UAP program a giant conspiracy then you need to create a plausible narrative, because the official narrative is long, complex and documented. Would the multiple Navy pilots and radar operator witnesses coming forward also be on the payroll of this conspiracy?
The Pentagon say they can’t explain the things they are tracking, there is a push to investigate and remove the stigma of reporting such incidents. As far as I can see that is the story so far, no more, no less.
Soldato
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Where did I say they were ? It's perfectly logical to assume that these UAP's aren't otherworldly and are just merely way above their paygrade to know what the **** they are
There's plenty of "UFO" sightings that have simply been black projects and it's easier for those wanting to keep these things secret to let people run with the "ermagherd it's eeliens" line than have them asking which country they belong to
If I was a betting man I'd say these things are super top secret next next gen drones that the military has wanted to test against unwitting pilots in their own military because they can filter down orders from the top to not engage these "phenomena" that are intruding in airspace that if it was a conventional aircraft would likely get shot down for being in military airspace
They're running the "They're not ours" line because they don't want China/Russia/etc to know they have such a capability, why suddenly after over 80 years of UFOlogy does the military want to come clean ? Not buying it, they know exactly what they are and this is just a diversion to keep these things secret for a while longer