Pentagon releases UFO footage

Arguing with 'religious' people is futile and UFOlogy is exactly that - faith with no hard evidence.
If the Pentagon say they found nothing it will be deemed a cover up.

Anyway off to watch Alien Artifacts The Lost World 2019 which I've just come across.
 
ethan said:
It's enough to know that whatever is being said has to be corroborated with extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. In this context there's no need to know the specifics of what's being said. We simply rely on the law of contradiction, the excluded middle and the law of identity to make sure that what's being said and reported, remains sensible and logical.

Your trying to hide the fact your being flippant/silly by playing with words in an argument that needs not apply.
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I'll spell it out clearly for you. I. AM. NOT. BEING. FLIPPANT.

You claimed that the evidence you have not seen and know nothing about corroborates the things you want it to corroborate. However you dress that up with verbiage, it remains a statement of faith.

It's a lot more complicated than that. With the example of the Omaha-if there's no perceived definite threat, this has to be ascertained in the present according to a set of criteria- and not just after the fact post priori-like your claiming.
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When the origin of the lights in the sky/screen is unknown, they aren't definitely a threat and the only way to judge if they are a threat is by judging their effect over time. It's not perfect, but it's the all that's available. Did they attack? If so, how much damage did they do? Those are the only ways to assess the threat. After almost a century of the source(s) of the lights not attacking, it can reasonably be pencilled in as not a threat.


Furthermore-if the "lights" in the sky have had no effect on anything-and not, as you say, constituted a definite threat, why is it then the report has been presented to Congress with a number of those Congressmen being rattled/concerned about the defence of the United States along with that of the safety of their military personnel?
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Because enough people with enough power have lobbied enough. Politics is not objective. It's mostly about what people with enough power think or want. In different circumstances, the report would be about demons or communists or whatever.
 
Crazy how we're having fighter pilots with photos and videos of craft performing manoeuvres that aren't anywhere near close to possible with current known technology, including moving through water as if it were land and breaking the sound barrier without creating a sonic boom, yet people are mocking merely the suggestion that it could be something outside of terrestrial life.
 
I wake up on Friday and an alien hands me this Pentagon report I will ask him/her/they(hive mind) think are in the reports. At which point him/her/them will shrug say "dunno. looks like a UFO"
 
Screeeech said:
Oh my god you poor soul..... :D

Check this out - it might help repair any mental damage :p

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I'll download it for later.
Will this be the video that finally convinces me after 50 years on reading up on this subject that UFOs/Aliens are real?

(To be honest between the ages of 13 to 17 I believed any crap until I realised it was a pair of round things)
 
Roar87 said:
Crazy how we're having fighter pilots with photos and videos of craft performing manoeuvres that aren't anywhere near close to possible with current known technology, including moving through water as if it were land and breaking the sound barrier without creating a sonic boom, yet people are mocking merely the suggestion that it could be something outside of terrestrial life.
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Can you provide any links to photos and videos showing craft doing that? All the ones I've seen are of lights appearing to do that and which have mundane explanations.
 
Angilion said:
Can you provide any links to photos and videos showing craft doing that? All the ones I've seen are of lights appearing to do that and which have mundane explanations.
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In the video of the female Professor that was linked earlier it showed a still picture of a metallic craft that one of the pilots took that was taken from a 60 minute interview they did, I would expect you to know that

https://youtu.be/a6tDHZj5q5Q?t=783

That clearly isn't a light
 
Angilion said:
ou claimed that the evidence you have not seen and know nothing about corroborates the things you want it to corroborate. However you dress that up with verbiage, it remains a statement of faith.
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No. I am saying if there is any evidence then it has to corroborate what's being said- that's not a statement of faith but fact.

Angilion said:
When the origin of the lights in the sky/screen is unknown, they aren't definitely a threat and the only way to judge if they are a threat is by judging their effect over time. It's not perfect, but it's the all that's available. Did they attack? If so, how much damage did they do? Those are the only ways to assess the threat. After almost a century of the source(s) of the lights not attacking, it can reasonably be pencilled in as not a threat.
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Two things here. There is a specific criteria that the navy use to determine whether something is a threat. I can't find the specifics. Maybe the military buffs can?

After almost a century of the source(s) of the lights not attacking, it can reasonably be pencilled in as not a threat.
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I believe there have been reports of these things engaging aircraft aggressively so I'm not sure how it can be reasonable to argue or assume this?

I believe the Omaha was surrounded by 14 unknowns/unidentifiables that suddenly appeared out of nowhere- and of the nine ships that accompanied the Omaha, these were allegedly reported to have been surrounded by up to a hundred unidentifiables. Sounds pretty unprecedented and threatening to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKyP79v9e84
 
Roar87 said:
Crazy how we're having fighter pilots with photos and videos of craft performing manoeuvres that aren't anywhere near close to possible with current known technology, including moving through water as if it were land and breaking the sound barrier without creating a sonic boom, yet people are mocking merely the suggestion that it could be something outside of terrestrial life.
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it's amazing that it took the decision of the former-Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for both Bush and Clinton to leak the now famous videos to the New York Times- to get the people in the Pentagon to take the matter seriously?

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/05/17/christopher-mellon-on-militarys-ufo-encounters.html
 
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Roar87 said:
In the video of the female Professor that was linked earlier it showed a still picture of a metallic craft that one of the pilots took that was taken from a 60 minute interview they did, I would expect you to know that

https://youtu.be/a6tDHZj5q5Q?t=783

That clearly isn't a light
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The still image doesn't show the object "performing manoeuvres that aren't anywhere near close to possible with current known technology, including moving through water as if it were land and breaking the sound barrier without creating a sonic boom", which is the claim I was replying to. Do you have any video to support that claim?


But thank you anyway. That is an object, which is vastly more than any other "evidence" of alien spaceships I've seen. Is there anything more than a still? I'd like to know what evidence, if any, exists about it.

ethan said:
No. I am saying if there is any evidence then it has to corroborate what's being said- that's not a statement of faith but fact.
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That's not what you were saying before, when you stated that the report validated/corroborated the claims about alien spaceships (in post 1234) . But the above still isn't a statement of fact. Evidence shows what it shows. Since you haven't seen the report, you don't know what what the evidence in it shows. There will be evidence in it, even if it is just evidence that the military investigated and didn't find definitive proof of the cause.

I believe there have been reports of these things engaging aircraft aggressively so I'm not sure how it can be reasonable to argue or assume this?
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How many people did they kill? How much damage did they deliberately cause? How did the humans in a human aircraft fight off an attacking alien spaceship so vastly more advanced? Given the alleged capabilities of these spaceships, they could destroy any existing human aircraft trivially easily without even using weapons.

There's an even simpler argument that they're not a threat - they haven't conquered or destroyed us. If they were hostile aliens with technology so incomprehensibly more advanced than ours, they could very easily do either. Any people with the technology for easy travel within a stellar system, let alone the interstellar travel needed for them to be here, could easily destroy human civilisation even if they had no other technology at all (which, of course, they would have). If you can move a ship in space, you can move a rock in space. If you can move a rock in space, you can attack a planet-bound civilisation to any extent from warning shot to the death of all living things on the planet and anything in between.
 
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