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[ic1male]

I don't see VR taking off either. The cost of entry is too high, the fact that you have to wear a clunky piece of apparatus is another. 3D arguably failed because you had to wear a pair of glasses. VR will not be mainstream until you can have your own holodeck at home and so multiple people can experience it together without wearing anything.

 

[TheVoice]

Me neither. Products get upgraded all the time. Look at mobile phones; I could get a new one tomorrow and it will have an upgraded model later this year.
I've had my PS4 2 1/2 years now. Which is a lot longer than I'd keep a mobile phone. If a newer version came out this year then I'd be happy to upgrade if it meant I can keep and play all my existing games on it.

But the difference is that mobile phones are sold largely as standalone devices, a console's success relies on the attach rate i.e. people buying games, subscriptions etc. It's hard to see why Sony would bother releasing a new, more expensive, more powerful PS4 when the current model is still selling so well.

They've also then got to somehow explain to the public why this new model is worth significantly more than the existing one.

 

[oli collett]

VR is a gimmick. much like kinect. much like the original wii.

it will bomb. people will buy it and then after 3 months it will sit and gather dust once the appeal has worn off.

it may be good for single player games. however why not stick the £400 towards a 55" tv and sit closer to it?

LOL, have you tried VR? Also, do you really think the buzz around preorders suggests that it will bomb? I don't recall similar excitement with something like 3D TV

 

[GIBURROWS]

VR is a gimmick. much like kinect. much like the original wii.

it will bomb. people will buy it and then after 3 months it will sit and gather dust once the appeal has worn off.

it may be good for single player games. however why not stick the £400 towards a 55" tv and sit closer to it?

Will sitting closer to a 46" TV work as well?

 

[Kris_90]

Playstation 4.5 / PS4 slim - Sony has done this with every Playstation console. If it offers a noticeable upgrade I'll buy it

 

[stopper]

I think games consoles will become something like iPhones/iOS....

fashion items?

 

[TheVoice]

Playstation 4.5 / PS4 slim - Sony has done this with every Playstation console.

Not really, every other time it's just been a refresh featuring the same core hardware and often coinciding with a lower RRP; what's being rumoured here is something entirely different.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

LOL, have you tried VR? Also, do you really think the buzz around preorders suggests that it will bomb? I don't recall similar excitement with something like 3D TV

i went to Milan in January and went into the Da Vinci musuem where they had a VR headset. I put it on and thought it was rather crap and uncomfortable. The quality was also terrible.

Yes you turn your head right and you now see right. you turn your head left and you see left. up and down worked too.


do people even think before buying these things? so your going to sit on your couch to play a game you turn your head left. now what happens if you need to turn even more to the left? you need to break your neck or stand up and turn your whole body.

basically you need to be standing to use it or in a swivel chair.

so yes i think it's a gimmick. we will see though how many people are using it 3 months after release.


what happens if in the game you need to look left for 15 minutes? you get a sore neck that's what. i'd rather look straight into a tv thank you very much.

but it's VR guys go buy it it's the future. don't think so. not until it's much more refined. i doubt we will see proper VR for a long time coming.

 

[haroon]

This generation is terrible.

Agreed,not a single title has stood out in making this gen seem worth it.

Going beyond the re-releases of last gen games theres not much to show....yet.

The first few years of the ps3 were also lackluster but at least you felt like the games looked a generation beyond the ps2,the ps4 is in no way a general leap above the ps3,a refinemant and nothing more.

Sony releasing a ps4.5 is going to come soley down to weather Microsoft will release an upgraded box and most will agree Microsoft is going to have to do something drastic to turn the xbox one sales around and having a more powerful box out there than sony's is the only seemable way of recovering sales.

The ball will then be left in sony's court as to weather they want to compete by releasing their own new souped up box or just ride it out with their current sales momentum until the ps5,i'm more keen to believe the lattar.

It could after all back fire on Microsoft miserably and do the xbox brand more damage than has already been done but at this moment in time they seeminly have no other way of competing with sony phil spencer has made it clear they aren't going to wait another 4 years to compete again.

With AMD's upcoming 14nm chips it seems the time may be right for microsoft to do a major upgrade of xbox ones internals and for once provide a compelling reason for people to switch sides.

I mean who here agress,if an upgraded xbox one could play all the current gen titles at 1080/60fps,with some even being patched with better effects ect,that would even make me consider switching as the performance of current AAA titles leaves a lot to be desired.

They could probably straight up double the transistors of the current xbox one APU by going from 28nm to 14nm without upping the power too much.

So that would be 768 GCN cores x 2 = 1536 .

Upgrade the jaguar cores to puma+ cores and jack up the clocks at least 50%.

Double the esram from 32mb to 64mb.

They would prob keep the amount of memory the same as it's not really an issue at 1080p and like others have said,the new box will probably support hdmi 2 for supporting 4k media rather than games,which in itself will be a major win for 4k tv owners.

Bring on a new xbox one at E3 i say

 

[haroon]

It wouldn't surprise me to see an update to X1 and PS4, perhaps with something like AMDs Xconnect tech to allow the internal GPU to continue to work on the base device and give the opportunity to add a second external more powerful dGPU.

Whilst we might see locked 60fps at 1080p and perhaps 4K output for Netflix etc I'm deeply sceptical we'll see "proper" 4K gaming in a console any time soon given the costs of even a GPU to be able to drive 4K gaming consistently much less the rest of the console. Having said that perhaps something based on a custom version of NVidia Pascal giving 980Ti performance at a lower price would be enough. For me I think we'd need to see more performance than that if we're to avoid the same problems we have with this gen, lets not replace a console that barely manages to do 1080p consistently at a decent FPS with a next gen that can just scrape 4K at a push as long as you don't have too much on screen just so you can claim "4K gaming".

I don't fundamentally have a problem with publishers being able to produce games which run at 1080p/60hz and have a "enhanced" mode with 4K textures for consoles which support it though. It's been like that forever for PCs and doesn't break the ability for people to play competitively or lead to less variety in gaming.

Thing is Xconnect requires Intel's thunderbolt 3 which uses intel chipsets so theres your idea out of the window

 

[TheVoice]

Going beyond the re-releases of last gen games theres not much to show....yet.

I disagree, but even if that were the case how is releasing a slightly more powerful, more expensive console going to help that? The games will still be the same, they'll just run and look a bit better. It's not going to revolutionise gameplay or immersion whereas something like PSVR will. That's clearly where the focus is for this year.

 

[Zefan]

I disagree, but even if that were the case how is releasing a slightly more powerful, more expensive console going to help that? The games will still be the same, they'll just run and look a bit better. It's not going to revolutionise gameplay or immersion whereas something like PSVR will. That's clearly where the focus is for this year.

Isn't the idea that the slightly more powerful, more expensive console will actually make VR on a console work properly?

 

[V F]

But the difference is that mobile phones are sold largely as standalone devices, a console's success relies on the attach rate i.e. people buying games, subscriptions etc. It's hard to see why Sony would bother releasing a new, more expensive, more powerful PS4 when the current model is still selling so well.

They've also then got to somehow explain to the public why this new model is worth significantly more than the existing one.

Game studios will also only cater to the latest version.

 

[TheVoice]

Isn't the idea that the slightly more powerful, more expensive console will actually make VR on a console work properly?

Sony seem adamant it'll work fine on the current PS4s and certainly, its success depends on that fact. If it's crap or it needs a revised console to work well, it'll flop because few people are going to be convinced that £800 is a reasonable sum of money to get a decent experience from it.

 

[GAC]

Isn't the idea that the slightly more powerful, more expensive console will actually make VR on a console work properly?

the vr working isnt the issue, sony have that cracked for their brand of vr, its this made up clickbait claim of 4k on a slightly updated ps4.

to get steady 30fps on a pc you need to be looking at a grands worth of pc and even then you'l be struggling. this is pure clickbait from gawker media (kotaku) to make money fast as they have a $115 million hole in their finances after the hulk hogan trial. and lets be honest kotaku's been on its backside since the gamergate fall out.

 

[Alex_6n2]

Seems more likely that they would release a firmware update that enabled 4K upscaling

Releasing updated hardware so early in the current consoles life would divide the market and make it more difficult for game developers and consumers alike.

 

[BubbySoup]

Seems more likely that they would release a firmware update that enabled 4K upscaling

Releasing updated hardware so early in the current consoles life would divide the market and make it more difficult for game developers and consumers alike.

Depends, but I can't see how it would divide the market. All PS4 & PS4.5 owners still buy the same game, the 4.5 owners get some extra texture/graphic options and an increase in res/frame rate

 

[V F]

this is pure clickbait from gawker media (kotaku) to make money fast as they have a $115 million hole in their finances after the hulk hogan trial.

Hmm, what happened there?

 

[GAC]

Hmm, what happened there?

gawker being gawker and posting stuff it shouldnt, but hogan took them to court and boom. $115 million payout for hogan.

 

[Finners]

Said something like this could happen when I first read the specs, they are basically an x86 AMD APU.

They will release tiered hardware and the games will just scale resolution/IQ settings/FPS depending on what one you have.

Sony/MS see many millions of people spending £300-500 on a phone every 2 years and they want a piece of the action.