please just stop it, stop buying

[subbytna]

Is this thread STILL going

Mods are slacking these days

 

[subbytna]

Yep, fire up wattman, cut 50mV from the p6 and p7 state and Uncle Bob is now apart of the family Easy peasy to get a less hotter and power hungry card to play games, whilst silly 1080 users just play.

You don't have to do it every time, once and save profile and that's it with a 64

 

[Gregster]

Is this thread STILL going

Mods are slacking these days

It is a great thread and makes me chuckle

You don't have to do it every time, once and save profile and that's it with a 64

Good stuff

 

[Darujhistan]

I could have stayed in all weekend instead of going out and spending £300 on beer and food. I could have an easier job, I could sell my house and live in a tent. It has nothing to do with feeling smug but all about enjoying my hobby. Sure I would love some RT games to go "wow" at and they will come but for now, I will just have to put up with solid max details and smooth gameplay

What does spending £300 on beer and food at the weekend have to do with your wish to justify the cost of your GPU?

 

[Ayahuasca]

Stop going to the supermarket please and grow your own veg.

Stop buying fuel for your car and make your own.

Why are you wearing branded clothing knit your own god damn sweater.

 

[Gregster]

What does spending £300 on beer and food at the weekend have to do with your wish to justify the cost of your GPU?

My response to your "could have's"

 

[Darujhistan]

My response to your "could have's"

Ok, that makes no sense whatsoever but hey-ho.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

The 7950 and 7970 cost the same as the 290 and 290x on release, so the DSP chip didn't raise the prices of the cards and actually when Thief was released with True Audio the 290x and 290 cost more than what you paid at launch because of the mining boom.

So your statement isn't true at all, you didn't pay more for it and it and it would have actually cost you more to buy the cards when the first game with True audio was released.

How do you know it didn't raise the price of the cards? How do you know it wouldn't have been cheaper without it? Just because the 7950 and 7970 were that much on release doesn't mean the 290/290X wouldn't have been cheaper without it.
I bought some 290Xs after at least some of the, what is it now, 5 games?, were released and paid only 60% of what I paid for the 290 (non-X) at release. So I could buy later and pay less to get the same thing after some time has passed. If any card (inc the 290 and 290X) had the DSP chip and were at any time available for less than the 290/290X were prior to TrueAudio being released then you paid more to get it early.

 

[FoxEye]

I could have stayed in all weekend instead of going out and spending £300 on beer and food. I could have an easier job, I could sell my house and live in a tent. It has nothing to do with feeling smug but all about enjoying my hobby. Sure I would love some RT games to go "wow" at and they will come but for now, I will just have to put up with solid max details and smooth gameplay

Yeah but you do appear to want to have your cake and eat it. You say you want to be an early adopter and want to spend a comparatively large amount on your hobby, buying the latest and newest tech before mainstream adoption.

You then complain that you've bought something which doesn't have mainstream adoption, and hope people will add support for a card which is owned by 0.0001% of gamers.

So, yeah... you pays your money, you makes your choice, but don't expect everyone else to fall in line with what you want You may have backed a losing horse, and that's something else you risk, frankly.

It's your money but you knew what you were doing when you bought that card based on Jensen's hype and promises of a ray-traced future.

 

[Gregster]

My idea of complaining and your's appear to be somewhat different.

 

[Prozn]

Gregster said: ↑

I do wish we had some RT games out now (or even 1) to help me justify the cost of my 2080Ti.

You could have done that (and cheaper in all likelyhood) if you'd have bought a 2080Ti when there were several good RT games out there, and likely issues had been ironed out with RT, and the performance was also there. If you'd waited for RT to mature you could have bought cheaper and felt smugger in the process. As ever, paying over the odds to early-adopt immature tech with no real world application is a mistake. RT might not even end being a thing, who knows? It might end up being another tech white elephant.

I upgraded from a 1080 to a 2080 Ti as I was struggling to drive my 1440p Ultrawide 120Hz monitor in AAA games such as Forza Horizon 4. I upgraded for better raster performance (which is significantly better), any future DLSS or RTX will be an added bonus.

Yes the cost is high - but that is a personal decision of affordability, and in general, even now, PC gaming is one of the cheaper hobbies.

 

[Darujhistan]

I upgraded from a 1080 to a 2080 Ti as I was struggling to drive my 1440p Ultrawide 120Hz monitor in AAA games such as Forza Horizon 4. I upgraded for better raster performance (which is significantly better), any future DLSS or RTX will be an added bonus.

Yes the cost is high - but that is a personal decision of affordability, and in general, even now, PC gaming is one of the cheaper hobbies.

And as such you don't feel the need to justify your purchase to yourself and the internet with Ray Tracing.

 

[melmac]

How do you know it didn't raise the price of the cards? How do you know it wouldn't have been cheaper without it? Just because the 7950 and 7970 were that much on release doesn't mean the 290/290X wouldn't have been cheaper without it.
I bought some 290Xs after at least some of the, what is it now, 5 games?, were released and paid only 60% of what I paid for the 290 (non-X) at release. So I could buy later and pay less to get the same thing after some time has passed. If any card (inc the 290 and 290X) had the DSP chip and were at any time available for less than the 290/290X were prior to TrueAudio being released then you paid more to get it early.

You are been stupidly pedantic over a tongue in cheek comment by Foxeye. And your statement is still wrong, the first card with True audio was the 270x which was released before the 290 cards. So you didn't have to pay more for it, you could have bought the 270x.

As for the true audio DSP chip cost, well, the 280x was a rebranded 7970Ghz edition the only difference was Freesync support and the True Audio DSP. For a while they were both available at the same price. So no price increase there.

You are right, we don't know what the price of the true audio DSP cost. But, what we do know is that there was no price increase between generations. The 290x and 290 launched at the same price as the 7970 and the 7950. So you didn't pay extra for true audio. Unlike the 2080Ti and the 2080 which are a massive price increase over the 1080ti and 1080 because of the new tech that they have but can't yet use, which what Foxeye's comment was poking fun at.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

You are been stupidly pedantic over a tongue in cheek comment by Foxeye. And your statement is still wrong, the first card with True audio was the 270x which was released before the 290 cards. So you didn't have to pay more for it, you could have bought the 270x.

As for the true audio DSP chip cost, well, the 280x was a rebranded 7970Ghz edition the only difference was Freesync support and the True Audio DSP. For a while they were both available at the same price. So no price increase there.

You are right, we don't know what the price of the true audio DSP cost. But, what we do know is that there was no price increase between generations. The 290x and 290 launched at the same price as the 7970 and the 7950. So you didn't pay extra for true audio. Unlike the 2080Ti and the 2080 which are a massive price increase over the 1080ti and 1080 because of the new tech that they have but can't yet use, which what Foxeye's comment was poking fun at.

And you're trying awfully hard to defend AMD over a throw away jokey reply I made.

It's a good point about the 270X though, I hadn't considered that. Of course if we're not considering the most expensive card in a line-up then I believe the 2070 and 2080 also do RT and the rest, so no need to buy a 2080Ti.
Also, as I pointed out, you could buy the 290 and 290X for less as they neared EOL, I bet this applied to the 270X too. So could've got it cheaper if you waited (i.e. not an early adopter).

Of course the other thing to consider is that we don't know how many games will ever support Ray Tracing. Are you buying into something that's going to be popular and supported or is it going to be like TrueAudio and make it into 4 or 5 games (one of which I believe is Star Citizen, which hasn't been released yet. Will it release as TrueAudio or TrueAudio Next?).

 

[melmac]

And you're trying awfully hard to defend AMD over a throw away jokey reply I made.

It's a good point about the 270X though, I hadn't considered that. Of course if we're not considering the most expensive card in a line-up then I believe the 2070 and 2080 also do RT and the rest, so no need to buy a 2080Ti.
Also, as I pointed out, you could buy the 290 and 290X for less as they neared EOL, I bet this applied to the 270X too. So could've got it cheaper if you waited (i.e. not an early adopter).

Of course the other thing to consider is that we don't know how many games will ever support Ray Tracing. Are you buying into something that's going to be popular and supported or is it going to be like TrueAudio and make it into 4 or 5 games (one of which I believe is Star Citizen, which hasn't been released yet. Will it release as TrueAudio or TrueAudio Next?).

Defending AMD, is that the really the argument you are reduced to? It was nothing to do with defending AMD and all to do with pointing out that your comment was nonsense and at least you are admitting it was a throw away jokey comment.

Addressing the points in this post. Seriously? What point are you trying to make? The Turing cards are all more expensive than the Pascal cards because of the extra hardware needed to RTX, that's a fact. Hardware that looks like it's never going to be of any use on the 2070 as it just isn't powerful enough. The True audio didn't increase the price of the cards from one generation to the next and that is also a fact.

There is nothing more to be said, you didn't have to pay more for True Audio.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Defending AMD, is that the really the argument you are reduced to? It was nothing to do with defending AMD and all to do with pointing out that your comment was nonsense and at least you are admitting it was a throw away jokey comment.

Addressing the points in this post. Seriously? What point are you trying to make? The Turing cards are all more expensive than the Pascal cards because of the extra hardware needed to RTX, that's a fact. Hardware that looks like it's never going to be of any use on the 2070 as it just isn't powerful enough. The True audio didn't increase the price of the cards from one generation to the next and that is also a fact.

There is nothing more to be said, you didn't have to pay more for True Audio.

I still say we don't know how much the cards would've cost without the TrueAudio DSP chip. Maybe AMD would've still charged the same if they didn't include it, maybe they just added it for free and decided not to re-coup any of the money they spent on R&D and manufacturing.
Did I pay more for TrueAudio? I paid more for getting it before and TrueAudio games were out than I was able to after TrueAudio games were out.

As for the 2070 not being powerful enough to use RT, currently it barely seems like the 2080Ti is either!

And yes, this doesn't seem like defending AMD to you?
Are you feigning outrage now to seem like a victim? Bravo, how very AMD of you!

 

[Dumphole]

Although I still cringe at the price I don't regret my 2080ti purchase. It outperforms by old 1080ti in my main game by a significant margin and I now how everything, ultra settings coupled with 165fps and 1440p.

 

[TNA]

I still say we don't know how much the cards would've cost without the TrueAudio DSP chip. Maybe AMD would've still charged the same if they didn't include it, maybe they just added it for free and decided not to re-coup any of the money they spent on R&D and manufacturing.
Did I pay more for TrueAudio? I paid more for getting it before and TrueAudio games were out than I was able to after TrueAudio games were out.

As for the 2070 not being powerful enough to use RT, currently it barely seems like the 2080Ti is either!

And yes, this doesn't seem like defending AMD to you?
Are you feigning outrage now to seem like a victim? Bravo, how very AMD of you!

Lol. It’s like you don’t want see what he is saying and would rather have the last word or something.

 

[easyrider]

Although I still cringe at the price I don't regret my 2080ti purchase. It outperforms by old 1080ti in my main game by a significant margin

It’s around 35% for 70% more cost...but if you’re happy with that good luck to you.

 

[twistedheat]

It’s around 35% for 70% more cost...but if you’re happy with that good luck to you.

Yeah I don't think you can use that argument yourself.

A 1070 vs 1080ti is like what? 40% performance increase? For like 80% more cost? You could have easily purchased a 1070 instead of a 1080ti.

There's plenty of sticks to beat the 2080ti with, but I don't think anyone that purchased above a 1060/1070 level card has a right to use the price/performance stick.