please just stop it, stop buying

Prozn · 20 Nov 2018 at 13:53

The price/performance argument just doesn't seem to hold up for me:

This shows that the best cards on performance/price are:

RTX 2070
Vega 64
GTX 1070 Ti
Vega 56

Then you have the RTX 2080 Ti, GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 at similar, lower, performance/price levels at the premium performance end.

For me the anomaly is the 1080 Ti. I don't see the value proposition of buying old tech at similar performance and price as the RTX 2080, and removing the optionality of DLSS.

Participant · 20 Nov 2018 at 14:05

Prozn said:
For me the anomaly is the 1080 Ti. I don't see the value proposition of buying old tech at similar performance and price as the RTX 2080, and removing the optionality of DLSS.

Don't tell @easyrider

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jigger · 20 Nov 2018 at 14:09

The RX570/80 and Vega56 must be some of the best options for performance per pound. The 1080ti's along with all Nvidia cards are horribly overpriced.

Edit: Actual performance per dollar figures from recent tests.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/XFX/Radeon_RX_590_Fatboy/34.html

Prozn · 20 Nov 2018 at 14:44

Participant said:
Don't tell @easyrider .

He managed to convince gibbo into giving a discount, so it made sense at that price point

jigger said:
The RX570/80 and Vega56 must be some of the best options for performance per pound. The 1080ti's along with all Nvidia cards are horribly overpriced.

Edit: Actual performance per dollar figures from recent tests.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/XFX/Radeon_RX_590_Fatboy/34.html

Update with some more cards:

Of the high end cards, the performance gains are significant enough that you get what you pay for, with diminishing returns that are always seen on the cutting edge. Only the 1080 Ti doesn't make sense at these price levels.

Of the mid-range cards, at £350 to £400, the Vegas and the 1070 Ti are a good value proposition. Depends if you have a gsync or freesync monitors. The 1080 is overpriced and not worth it.

At the low end, given the price differences, only the RX590 or RX570 make sense. Only reason to get a 1060 is gsync.

1050 Ti and 1050 are irrelevant outside of media centres now, in my opinion.

Nasher · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:34

G-sync, which will cost you an extra £1-200 over Freesync for the monitor :/

If your swapping from an AMD setup to a 2080ti your looking at closer to 2k all in! You can literally buy an entire gaming PC (with monitor) for that, a good one too.

Panos · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:39

Nasher said:
G-sync, which will cost you an extra £1-200 over Freesync for the monitor :/

If your swapping from an AMD setup to a 2080ti your looking at closer to 2k all in! You can literally buy an entire gaming PC (with monitor) for that, a good one too.

And you need 9900K with very good ram to push the 2080Ti.

Nasher · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:43

Panos said:
And you need 9900K with very good ram to push the 2080Ti.

But then your just reaching a point where more FPS is making zero difference

Panos · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:44

Prozn said:
Citation needed. This thread disagrees: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/time-spy-standard-dx-12-bench.18740536/

For high resolution/high FPS gaming AMD cannot currently compete.

Since 2016, is been proven that TimeSpy is not a fair benchmark. It is using Nvidia optimizations on the code path at Graphic Test 2, completely crippling AMD performance.
It is better to use DX12 games for benchmark than TimeSpy.

Firestrike which hasn't such optimizations, is better indicator. Yet still, resent games like BF5 and Forza show that a Vega 64 is directly comparable to 1080Ti & 2080.

kevman · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:46

Prozn said:
This shows that the best cards on performance/price are:

RTX 2070

Vega 64

GTX 1070 Ti

Vega 56

But you need to quote resolutions when presenting this sort of stuff. At 1080p yeah these cards are better value. But at 1440p and higher 1080 ti will come into it's own. Techpowerup do some good stuff on this. I think according to them the 1080ti is slightly better value than 2070 even at the rrp.

Nasher · 20 Nov 2018 at 16:59

Panos said:
Since 2016, is been proven that TimeSpy is not a fair benchmark. It is using Nvidia optimizations on the code path at Graphic Test 2, completely crippling AMD performance.
It is better to use DX12 games for benchmark than TimeSpy.

Firestrike which hasn't such optimizations, is better indicator. Yet still, resent games like BF5 and Forza show that a Vega 64 is directly comparable to 1080Ti & 2080.

Yea I'm wondering if more recent games are tapping in Vega's compute power more, which it is still a monster at.

Prozn · 20 Nov 2018 at 18:39

kevman said:
But you need to quote resolutions when presenting this sort of stuff. At 1080p yeah these cards are better value. But at 1440p and higher 1080 ti will come into it's own. Techpowerup do some good stuff on this. I think according to them the 1080ti is slightly better value than 2070 even at the rrp.

But why would you buy a 1080 Ti when a 2080 can be had for the same price (or slightly cheaper)?

easyrider · 20 Nov 2018 at 18:57

Participant said:
Don't tell @easyrider .

I think he means the current pricing not £579

Prozn said:
He managed to convince gibbo into giving a discount, so it made sense at that price point

Of the high end cards, the performance gains are significant enough that you get what you pay for, with diminishing returns that are always seen on the cutting edge. Only the 1080 Ti doesn't make sense at these price levels.

The 1080ti makes sense at sub £600

Prozn said:
But why would you buy a 1080 Ti when a 2080 can be had for the same price (or slightly cheaper)?

You wouldn’t .

DaveGW · 20 Nov 2018 at 21:43

Nasher said:
Nvidia releases "re-hashes" as well (and also doesn't give you the ram you paid for sometimes lol, but thats another story).

Yeah, they do. I had a 970 strix also, wish i never sold that...or my 980ti. Oh well.

TrixX · 21 Nov 2018 at 00:52

Nasher said:
Yea I'm wondering if more recent games are tapping in Vega's compute power more, which it is still a monster at.

Well anything that uses Async Compute properly, you'll see Vega shine. Also anything setup to run Turing properly will also benefit any GCN based arch from AMD. Hence the screeching over BFV and Forza, both of which play to the benefits of Turing and GCN. Just because it's not the standard in the industry at the moment, it's fast becoming the standard for new gaming tech except stuff from Bethesda. Until Bethesda start to use a proper engine instead of trying to mismatch Gamebryo to everything they'll still suffer **** performance and limitations in their games.

TheRealDeal · 21 Nov 2018 at 01:09

Prozn said:
He managed to convince gibbo into giving a discount, so it made sense at that price point

Update with some more cards:

Of the high end cards, the performance gains are significant enough that you get what you pay for, with diminishing returns that are always seen on the cutting edge. Only the 1080 Ti doesn't make sense at these price levels.

Of the mid-range cards, at £350 to £400, the Vegas and the 1070 Ti are a good value proposition. Depends if you have a gsync or freesync monitors. The 1080 is overpriced and not worth it.

At the low end, given the price differences, only the RX590 or RX570 make sense. Only reason to get a 1060 is gsync.

1050 Ti and 1050 are irrelevant outside of media centres now, in my opinion.

Since when was userbench something we used in here for price performance. Game benchmarks and the actual price at the time is far more reliable. New games keep coming and it's clear to see in them what performs well. A quick look at the price at the time tells you all you need to know. Nvidia right at this moment are just about as bad as it gets end of story. The main probably for high end after Vega is it's NV v NV.

Secret_Window · 21 Nov 2018 at 05:53

What the graphs highlight to me, is that spending £300-400 and sticking to 1080p for the forseeable future is the most cost effective solution.

chrcoluk · 21 Nov 2018 at 07:55

Panos said:
Here it is. Some say that the Vega clip looks smoother also.

nice music, how on earth is a vega keeping up with a 2080 tho?

chrcoluk · 21 Nov 2018 at 07:59

Participant said:
Don't tell @easyrider .

he didnt pay that price for his tho, on that chart its nearly 700. The time to buy a 1080ti has passed, those who sneezed missed the window, unless you buy one used.

kevman · 21 Nov 2018 at 08:28

Prozn said:
But why would you buy a 1080 Ti when a 2080 can be had for the same price (or slightly cheaper)?

I think at current prices 1080ti / 2080 there is not much difference. But you were saying that 2070/ 1070 ti / vega 56 are best value for money. I'm sayin you need to consider the resolution your playing at.

TrixX · 21 Nov 2018 at 08:32

chrcoluk said:
nice music, how on earth is a vega keeping up with a 2080 tho?

Async Compute. Turing and Vega are both beasts at it.