Political Correctness Gone Mad Again

[dowie]

What ban?

well he hasn't referred to a ban he's referred to people seeking a ban on this sort of stuff, he's not that far off the mark, people do seek to censor or ban the use of attractive/skinny women in promotions in some cases

for example the "Beach Body ready" adverts on the tube that caused an SJW **** storm not too long ago - in response to the outcry the advertising standards agency has banned the advert from returning (to be fair to them they cited health claims as the reason and were still investigating the causing offence aspect but it was blatantly in reaction to the outcry)

likewise France banned skinny models but no one would likely dare ban so called "plus size" models, they're currently celebrated even though obesity is a far bigger issue/health risk in the western world than anorexia... the current narrative is body positivity but those skinny bitches need to go for health reasons

 

[TallPaul1878]

Right wing death squads when???

 

[stockhausen]

. . .
people do seek to censor or ban the use of attractive/skinny women in promotions in some cases
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France banned skinny models but no one would likely dare ban so called "plus size" models, they're currently celebrated even though obesity is a far bigger issue/health risk in the western world than anorexia... the current narrative is body positivity but those skinny bitches need to go for health reasons

A woman doesn't have to be "skinny" to be attractive, you are disingenuously conflating the two. Advertisers and Fashion Houses are increasingly "discouraged" from using anorexic models or Photoshopping normally sized and shaped models - this is to be applauded.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "plus size" models but personally -I can't recall ever having seen an "obese" model used in a positive way in an advert. I doubt that many women in the Western world aspire to be obese - you may know different?

 

[Caracus2k]

Surely this is just freedom of speech at work? After all no legislation is being made to change things, just pressure being brought to bear by advertisers, pressure groups etc. It isnt like grid girls are integral to the sport and it is unlikely that their loss will mean people turn off from watching.

So your ok with 'pressure groups' putting pressure on businesses to try to force them to restrict their entirely legal activities even if this is against the wishes of the majority of the customers of the business ?

What's somewhat ironic about it all is that the darts ladies wore sash's advertising gambling companies onto the stage as part of their job's .....

What's objectively more damaging to society or even women...... Attractive women being paid to accompany darts players on stage fully clothed or the knock on effects gambling has on society and famlies....

Now of course gambling and advertisement of companies that offer gambling is legal but its not hard to see that the activists behind all this hardly have their priorities at all straight.

Do I particularly care if attractive women no longer get employed as props for sport? Not that much.....

But the bigger picture behind it all is a Marxist ideology that (incorrectly) states that male objectivication of women (I. E the tendency for men to be able to look at a women and be attracted to her based on her looks alone) is form of oppression under a societally constructed patriarchy rather then the result of human biology most importantly driven by sexual selection (which is the reality) .

This ideology therefore seeks to pathologise men for what most inherently are not necessarily for any of the conscious decisions they make.

 

[dowie]

A woman doesn't have to be "skinny" to be attractive, you are disingenuously conflating the two. Advertisers and Fashion Houses are increasingly "discouraged" from using anorexic models or Photoshopping normally sized and shaped models - this is to be applauded.

I've not conflated the two nor have I made that claim that one is reliant on the other.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "plus size" models but personally -I can't recall ever having seen an "obese" model used in a positive way in an advert.

It is a well used term not something I've made up, you can google "plus size model" if you're ignorant of its use.

One example, Ashley Graham had a Vogue front cover and has done plenty of adverts.

I doubt that many women in the Western world aspire to be obese - you may know different?

I've not made any claims re: people aspiring to be obese.

 

[Nasher]

likewise France banned skinny models but no one would likely dare ban so called "plus size" models, they're currently celebrated even though obesity is a far bigger issue/health risk in the western world than anorexia... the current narrative is body positivity but those skinny bitches need to go for health reasons

NP, most of them will be gone before they reach 55

 

[Hades]

This was just discussed on the BBC with the female sports presenter discussing it with a female grid interviewer. They both seemed over the moon. The grid interviewer commented that there was some concern about the long term career prospects of the now unemployed grid girls but suggested that a pension should be offered to them.

WTF? Women cause other women to be made unemployed from a job they seem to want to do, and then expect the company to pay for pensions because of it (or more likely customers through increased costs).

 

[Freakbro]

So your ok with 'pressure groups' putting pressure on businesses to try to force them to restrict their entirely legal activities even if this is against the wishes of the majority of the customers of the business ?

Well, you can't stop 'pressure groups' voicing their opinion (if you want to live in a free liberal society) and if the business acquieses to said pressure of a minority in contrast to the majority of their customer wishes (as you assert), then isn't the responsibility of that decision theirs alone?

 

[stockhausen]

Manchester Art Gallery has taken down a painting titled "Hylas and the Nymphs" by the Pre-Raphaelite painter John William Waterhouse (1849 to 1917).

The 1896 painting portrays pubescent, naked nymphs tempting a handsome young man to his doom and used to hang in a room titled "In Pursuit of Beauty", which contains late 19th century paintings showing lots of female flesh.

No reason to visit Manchester then . . .

 

[bloodiedathame]

Manchester Art Gallery has taken down a painting titled "Hylas and the Nymphs" by the Pre-Raphaelite painter John William Waterhouse (1849 to 1917).

The 1896 painting portrays pubescent, naked nymphs tempting a handsome young man to his doom and used to hang in a room titled "In Pursuit of Beauty", which contains late 19th century paintings showing lots of female flesh.

No reason to visit Manchester then . . .

Grid girls isn't art. Jeez.

 

[RDM]

So your ok with 'pressure groups' putting pressure on businesses to try to force them to restrict their entirely legal activities even if this is against the wishes of the majority of the customers of the business ?

Yes, because I am OK with freedom of speech. If you don't like something you are free to voice it, you are free to boycott things, you are free to protest. The company was under no legal obligation to make changes.

Do I particularly care if attractive women no longer get employed as props for sport? Not that much.....

But the bigger picture behind it all is a Marxist ideology that (incorrectly) states that male objectivication of women (I. E the tendency for men to be able to look at a women and be attracted to her based on her looks alone) is form of oppression under a societally constructed patriarchy rather then the result of human biology most importantly driven by sexual selection (which is the reality) .

This ideology therefore seeks to pathologise men for what most inherently are not necessarily for any of the conscious decisions they make.

Don't you feel slightly insulted that, just by adding an attractive woman, they seem to think it is more appealing to men? It is like the awful monitor adds with scantily clad women on them "Forgot the Tech specs, buy this because it has boobs on it!". It is a trend I will happily see dead and gone.

Don't worry, sexual selection isn't really going anywhere so you can still select a mate on whatever social mores say is currently attractive (remembering of course that this can change with culture and time...)

 

[Narj]

If confident women are happy to add a bit of "glamour" to an event and earn a few quid because it makes a bunch of dirty old gits happy, more power to them. It's obvious who the winner is.

I'm not bothered personally but at the end of the day, taking advantage of and making money out of male sexual impulses has been a money-spinner since the dawn of civilisation.

Maybe this is doing us blokes a favour long-term because it decreases the potential for being valuable just because you're attractive. No more Jordan clones? I'll just leave that there...

 

[explicit4u]

What's objectively more damaging to society or even women...... Attractive women being paid to accompany darts players on stage fully clothed or the knock on effects gambling has on society and famlies.....

So you mention the effects of promoting gambling companies but not the effects those women could be having on other women or society in general. Hardly a fair fight.

likewise France banned skinny models but no one would likely dare ban so called "plus size" models, they're currently celebrated even though obesity is a far bigger issue/health risk in the western world than anorexia... the current narrative is body positivity but those skinny bitches need to go for health reasons

Plus sized doesn't mean obese so why would you even mention banning them on health grounds?

Anorexia is just one of the many issues that modelling causes, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of women with body image issues is as high as obesity.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Good, it's seriously outdated and extremely tacky tbh.
Now they need to start increasing the ladies prize money, watched a couple of cracking ladies darts matchs this year and think they deserve a fairer slice of the pie in all honesty!

 

[RDM]

Good, it's seriously outdated and extremely tacky tbh.
Now they need to start increasing the ladies prize money, watched a couple of cracking ladies darts matchs this year and think they deserve a fairer slice of the pie in all honesty!

Is there any real requirement for there to be a gender split in darts? It doesn't strike me as a sport where the extra muscle mass of a man gives a significant advantage.

 

[Caracus2k]

Don't you feel slightly insulted that, just by adding an attractive woman, they seem to think it is more appealing to men?

Only if you are repulsed by your own biology as a heterosexual man (assuming that's you gender and sexual orientation) could you be 'insulted' that advertisers sought to associate their product or event with attractive fully clothed women . Either that or someone desperately wanting to falsely signal their virtue according to an immoral Marxist value system

 

[dowie]

Plus sized doesn't mean obese so why would you even mention banning them on health grounds?

Anorexia is just one of the many issues that modelling causes, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of women with body image issues is as high as obesity.

I didn't say plus size meant obese, though various prominent plus size models are obese and obesity is a bigger health issue than anorexia. Legislating re: the use of skinny models at one end of the scale for health reasons but being fine with obese/borderline morbidly obese models seems a bit inconsistent.

as for questioning the impact of obesity:

http://easo.org/education-portal/obesity-facts-figures/

• Worldwide obesity has nearly doubled since 1980.
• In 2008, more than 1.4 billion adults, 20 and older, were overweight. Of these over 200 million men and nearly 300 million women were obese.
• 35% of adults aged 20 and over were overweight in 2008, and 11% were obese.
• 65% of the world’s population live in countries where overweight and obesity kills more people than underweight.
• Overweight and obesity are the fifth leading risk for global deaths. At least 2.8 million adults die each year as a result of being overweight or obese.
• 44% of the diabetes burden, 23% of the ischaemic heart disease burden and between 7% and 41% of certain cancer burdens are attributable to overweight and obesity.
• More than 40 million children under the age of five were overweight in 2011.
• Obesity is preventable.

 

[Freakbro]

Yes, because I am OK with freedom of speech. If you don't like something you are free to voice it, you are free to boycott things, you are free to protest. The company was under no legal obligation to make changes.

Absolutely, and said far more succinctly than I did

Don't you feel slightly insulted that, just by adding an attractive woman, they seem to think it is more appealing to men?

Nope, because in the same way you just argued for freedom of speech, they are free to use whatever advertising method they want (within the law of course) and if that influences your decision over the actual technical specifications of the monitor, that's your issue.

Since the attractive women seem to be perfectly happy to be paid to be scantily clad over a car/gpu/male orientated product then I'm perfectly happy to see them

 

[Caracus2k]

So you mention the effects of promoting gambling companies but not the effects those women could be having on other women or society in general. Hardly a fair fight.

Great so you are a out and out sexist... Glad we got that straight.....

Nice to know that via the sexism of low expectations that you think the sight of fully clothed attractive women promoting an event is that damaging to other womem vs the well known effects of gambling on the whole populace and women as a group

Just one of the first hits from an Internet search.....

Pathological Gambling is one of the most devastating and fastest proliferating diseases in the United States

Perhaps all women including the attractive ones could be compelled to wear some sort of head to toe shapeless outfit which also covers their face in public ..... so no women get to feel bad about their looks..... What do you think?

 

[RDM]

Only if you are repulsed by your own biology as a heterosexual man (assuming that's you gender and sexual orientation) could you be 'insulted' that advertisers sought to associate their product or event with attractive fully clothed women . Either that or someone desperately wanting to falsely signal their virtue according to an immoral Marxist value system

I am not at all repulsed by biology, I’m just not stupid enough to think that something has more value just because an attractive woman is draped over it. YMMV