Political Correctness Gone Mad Again

@Caracus2k - Other than froth about Marxist conspiracies here, what are your other interests? I'm genuinely interested as I've never heard someone talk about Marxism so much.


You might infer computing for one given the forum I am on??

I would have thought that was rather self evident..... or do you randomly associate yourself with forums primarily dedicated to things you have no personal interest in just to rant on their general discussion boards??

But to answer the question.... appart from ranting about Marxism and talking about, working with or playing on computers.......... I also enjoy photography, walking, a bit of cycling and spending time with my family
 
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lol at the bbc article someone linked. it has a twitter qoute thats quite funny
Stacey Copeland @scopelandboxer

I have kids as mascots instead of ring card girls when I box. I hope that one day it’ll seem crazy that we ever had ring card girls at all! https://twitter.com/womensporttrust/status/957162340121800704 …
9:13 AM - Jan 28, 2018
Because all kids should watch 2 grown adults beat the crap out of each other.
how is that more appropriate than someone sexily dressed whos old enough to make their own decisions.
or maybe she was being sarcastic?
 
lol at the bbc article someone linked. it has a twitter qoute thats quite funny

Because all kids should watch 2 grown adults beat the crap out of each other.
how is that more appropriate than someone sexily dressed whos old enough to make their own decisions.
or maybe she was being sarcastic?

I guess it would be funny if it wasn't for the fact he thinks having his kids watch 'daddy' taking a beating is somehow acceptable. Can someone please invent a time machine then I can go back a few decades. I'll opt for the 60s and 70s with or without the inappropriate behaviour.
 
I guess it would be funny if it wasn't for the fact he thinks having his kids watch 'daddy' taking a beating is somehow acceptable. Can someone please invent a time machine then I can go back a few decades. I'll opt for the 60s and 70s with or without the inappropriate behaviour.

From what I was told, the 60s and 70s weren’t that rosy either. Or was this sarcasm with your tinted rose glasses?
 
It gets worse:
But British professional boxer Stacey Copeland says the practice is "inappropriate" in a sporting arena. She uses children as mascots at her fights instead of ring girls.

The Stockport-born fighter told BBC 5 live: "Just because it's always been that way in darts, Formula 1 and boxing, it doesn't necessarily make it right. I have kids as mascots instead of ring card girls when I box. I hope that one day it’ll seem crazy that we ever had ring card girls at all! I'm not a snob, I'm not prudish, I don't look down on anyone that does those roles... but as a sportswoman trying to gain respect and push things forward for women in sport - (ring girls) are an issue. I have absolutely nothing against these ladies, but for me personally it's not an appropriate place for it."

This is because, Ms Copeland adds, "Their role is only to do with how they look - I don't think that's the most positive representation of women in sport. In football we're very used to seeing child mascots. I think if we were to replace all of those children with women just standing there in dresses for no apparent reason, it would seem odd."
 
Its a product that is heavily marketed towards women as can be ascertained from looking at how its advertised. Are you really going to argue this?
So it's not a feminine product, then.....?

What point do you actually think you are making here???? As I said we see less advertising based on the female form I didn't say we see no advertising directed at women using male attractiveness.
Calvin Klein?
Entire stupid fashion tends built off those adverts of men with their undies hiked up too high... and yes, they were aimed at selling undies to men, but played off the back of all the women who stared at [whoever it was... Beckham?] on the posters - Guys bought the undies to be like the guys who the women were looking at.
How about the Old Spice adverts - You really think men bought that cack because they thought it would make them a better surfer?
Marketing aimed at the women who will get the men to buy it... almost genius, eh?

As for the more direct approach, people like the Telegraph have been insisting for a few years that men are now more objectified than women nowadays, calling it "Hunkvertising" .

The Diet coke add is memorable because its an atypical advert that used half clothed men to advertise a product primarily at women.
Which they continue to do, despite men being the slightly larger consumer group... because it's not a feminine product.
https://infoscout.co/brand/diet_coke

Yes we get it you are a moral exemplar who is immune to the widely observed effects seen in the rest of the human race....
No, I'm just not stupid enough to fall for blatantly contrived advertising BS...

you would never evenly be slightly affected by associating the sight of a person your are personally attracted to with a product...
Not in marketing terms, no.
I imagine if they're someone I consider attractive, I won't even notice the product.
I know Neve Campbell is/was a smoker, for example, and I'm certain I'd know of her brand, but couldn't for the life of me tell you which one it is.

I feel like you're expecting an apology for not matching your marketing research demographic, or something...

its just us lesser people who haven't yet reached your level of moral and mental perfection.....
Well, some of your young'uns still have time to get there, I suppose... p

Or alternatively you are either a deluded or deceitful person who ever cant or wont accept that the evidence is clear that humans area affected by the sex and attractiveness of a person promoting or advertising a produduct
OK, lets look at the products that I remember buying most recently, shall we?
Let's just Google up some of the advert pictures...

Škoda Octavia - Just a car, not a human in sight.
Cadbury's Mini Rolls - Couple of blokes in purple jumpers, couple of kids, mostly product.
Samsung Galaxy (on Vodafone) - Pictures of a phone and some text (although Voda do feature a couple of blokes, every now and again)
Aspire Revvo - A WOMAN, A WOMAN...... No, wait, that's a YouTube link to a female reviewer. Actual adverts, just product. Not even a human hand holding the thing.
Del Monte Fruit Salad - Food, food, more food, more food......... Oh, a plate.
Stanley 4½ bench plane - A bit old, but even back in the 40s, 50s and 60s, it was just product pictures.
Alphacool LED ring - Product pics.
Dentastix - Puppy dogs!!!!!!!!! But no attractive girls, not even ones with stupid little dogs.
Gigabyte 980Ti - Guess what..... No humans whatsoever.

Surely if sex sells and everyone is affected by it, why aren't all products using it?
Can it possibly depend on the product, like I said in the beginning?

You may think its cheap but the tactic works otherwise companies would not pay millions for the rights to plaster star wars logos over their products.
I think since 1983, I have bought just ONE packet of Star Wars cigarette-candies, which was a joke present about 2 years ago... and the recipient called me a **** before throwing them at me. :D

Again we get it ........you believe your above all these effects.........but regardless of that they do work
Clearly it doesn't and I am above it, as I haven't bought a single Star Wars razor yet... and neither has anyone else I've heard of!!! :D
Why, how many have you bought?

Wow you really do think you are special don't you!
I know I am. Why, aren't you?
Cor, that must be boring....

What is this group of 'people like you' that are immune to the effects of advertising....
As mentioned, we're those who can see through the thinly-veiled BS tricks of marketing and advertising... hell, some of us even form the (paid) test audience for such things.

I provided evidence of the phenomena with the real estate sales example where attractive women secured the highest values for property sales.
So gay men only ever rent, do they.....?
Yes, feel free to run with the obvious jokes begging for it in that sentence!!

Yes again we get it you are special and not effected by these crude associations......
I feel like you expect me to apologise for being above it, or something....

the countless millions spent by advertisers and research done showing these effects is all for nothing..........
Actually that's been my assertion for a long time, now.
I assume you don't even raise yourself to live-pause/fast forward through the adverts on TV, then...?

All advertising does is have me impatiently tapping my fingers for the 5 seconds it takes before I can skip the Grammerly ad on YouTube.
 
“Like removing the miners from the mine” is how Vicky Valdazo, manging director of a Madrid-based model agency, described Formula 1’s decision to stop using grid girls.

Err, no. Not comparable. I wonder how she'd describe removing all the teams from F1?
 
Not a single one of them wrote those statements.
They all read like syndicated work.
It actually makes no difference if they do it free willed. Al ot of people do their jobs free willed and have them taken away for no fault of their own. Think of all those poor fur traders and whale fishers :p

Are we meant to care more that cos they are pretty they are now unemployed?
 
Not a single one of them wrote those statements.
They all read like syndicated work.
It actually makes no difference if they do it free willed. Al ot of people do their jobs free willed and have them taken away for no fault of their own. Think of all those poor fur traders and whale fishers :p

Are we meant to care more that cos they are pretty they are now unemployed?


What a strange comparison to make............... fur traders/ whale fishers and fully clothed attractive women working as models in sports


Let my clue you in......... the difference is suffering.......

Whale fishing and fur trading (not that we have stopped wearing animals) were/are objected to because they involve actual demonstrable suffering to sentient animals, the methods employed are often very barbaric and there was/is not particularly justifiable reasons for the trades being carried out given the amount of suffering they cause

No one 'suffered' to any significant degree because of F1 or darts ladies. Unless you think all women should be clothed head to toe so no women has to 'suffer' from the seeing a potentially more attractive woman who a man, hypothetical or not, might find more attractive then them.........

Just because something (bad) is likely to happen to another person who isn't themselves doing any harm............it doesn't make it moral for you to make a conscious decision to make it happen! Quite the opposite unless there actions are causing identifiable harm
 
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From what I was told, the 60s and 70s weren’t that rosy either. Or was this sarcasm with your tinted rose glasses?

I had the time of my life during those periods, both at work and at play. PC as a concept didn't exist - Life on Mars was a pretty good facsimile.
 
All I'm saying is people's perceptions of what is fashionable, useful, profitable change and adapt.

Whale fishing didn't stop cos of the poor whales. It stopped cos of crude oil being easier and cheaper.

Don't get hung up on the examples. They are far fetched indeed.
 
I had the time of my life during those periods, both at work and at play. PC as a concept didn't exist - Life on Mars was a pretty good facsimile.

30% inflation
Mass IRA bombings
Power cuts
Rubbish in the streets
3 day working weeks
Bananas being throw at footballers
Women stuck at home with the kids
Gay bashing

Yeah, great times
 
30% inflation
Mass IRA bombings
Power cuts
Rubbish in the streets
3 day working weeks
Bananas being throw at footballers
Women stuck at home with the kids
Gay bashing

Yeah, great times

Yep, and for all that I would trade it for today's society in a heartbeat. Thing is I have lived in both times as an adult. If you look at society today, then you have only to scratch the surface to realise we are living in the most intolerant and dangerous times we have known for decades.

If you want to listen to a sober and interesting conversation then watch Andrew Neil's interview with John Simpson on the fall of democracy This Week available on BBC iPlayer.
 
All I'm saying is people's perceptions of what is fashionable, useful, profitable change and adapt.

Whale fishing didn't stop cos of the poor whales. It stopped cos of crude oil being easier and cheaper.

Don't get hung up on the examples. They are far fetched indeed.

The market didn't respond, a vocal minority did.
 
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